Another Muslim mass sexual assault in Sweden: http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2970/taharrush-gamea-introduced-to-gothia-cup.html "Gang of 40 sexually assaulted girls - Only one arrested ....................The Islamic gang-rape 'Taharrush' phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted, has now spread to Europe. The Arabic term 'taharrush' roughly translates to 'collective harassment.' It refers to sexual assaults carried out by groups of men in public places surrounded by dozens of attackers, lone women are groped or raped." I said earlier in the thread that if the German government continue to cover up Muslim violence there would be a backlash and a rise of right wing politics. Well it has happened in Sweden already... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival Well done Progressive Liberals and you want to form a new party in the UK and rejoin the EU?
every immigrant regardless whether eu or from wherever should be given a set of rules where they told any criminal action will ,after court action, result in deportation back to their country of origin and they will have no recourse to the defence of "human rights" they would have to sign to say they understand this as a condition of entering the uk
sink the boats as they come in simple , if the shoe was on the other foot they would be standing with knives ready to be head , infidells
It would be helpful if people here stopped with the 'apologist lefties' diatribe and then putting words into other people's mouths just like this. You can't have it both ways....on the one hand we need to 'wake up' to the threat, then on the other its ingrained behaviour across the milenia and is thus nothing new. Either it's a threat or not....or it's the status quo. Me, I'd like some balance, some context. How many other violent crimes similar in verocity have taken place across Europe in the same time period, is this an upward trend? (I don't mean Nice or Bataclan as these are plainly atrocities, but person on person rape or assault for example?) Asking for that balance isn't stating I don't believe it, can't see the headlines, aren't appalled, it just means I want to understand it too. If your happy with the information and conclusions then that's fine, I'm not in the wrong for asking for the wider picture. I posted this earlier: It's not meant as just 'us' it also applies to 'them' who is controlling their two minutes of hate and why? If you are happy that a lot of the 'message' is being transmitted across western technology, controlled by western conglomerates who want to not use the tools inbuilt in their systems to stop this, then fine. I'm not. If you want to brush aside my observations as 'liberalist' blindness, then that's weak, I propose it's staring us in the face. Hate ISIS? Burn a Toyota Hiace. Or a Hewlett Packard laptop, an Apple iPhone, a Cisco core switch, a Facebook account, a Twitter feed, a Canon Camera, whoever buys their oil and sells them raw materials. Whoever sells them bullets and guns (wave hello Russia, China, France, the U.K.) We agree on the outcome, I just assert that the motive is closer to home than we think, and is a long way away from politics.
And then this Marmite happens http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...an-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantil/
As does this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Aberdeen-one-man-falling-death-balcony.html This: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dead-outside-swimming-pool-Lincolnshire.html And this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aos-two-revellers-suffering-knife-wounds.html And hidden amongst it all are these: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ants-moving-straight-jobs-private-sector.html And this doozy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fight-crime-given-green-light-EU-lawyer.html I'm happy to note the significance of the rise in hate across the board, and acknowledge the religious angle....but I'll disagree with some here about what's triggering it and giving it oxygen. Meanwhile, those in power will look out for themselves and ensure we can't enquire or organise without appearing on a list. 1984 has been here a while.
Irish friend of mine living in Brum in the 70s had "Go Home Irish Scum" written on his locker at work. This was just after the pub bombings. He was not the only Irish person who had to put up with this kind of hatred. At least I guess the Irish community had the advantage of looking and dressing like everyone else. Plus we didn't have the same social media so they weren't subjected to the same wave of hatred Muslims are getting. Funny isn't it that if, like some have tried to do, you want to question people's assertions you've labelled as "leftie" or an "apologist", that kind of "You're either with us or against us" mentality.
I would think so, given time. Maybe not in my lifetime, who knows. I'm not a security expert so I don't know how they (the security services and the police) go about monitoring people who may be a threat. They cant physically monitor everyone of course. So its almost certain we will get more "lone wolf" type attacks. What can the likes of you and me do? What did we do when the Provisionals were bombing us here? Stay vigilent, and just try to carry on with our lives, that was all we could do.
Infiltrated them, picked them up and turned them into informers, arrested them, sent the SAS in went things got out of hand. The British took a very defensive/ containment stance against the IRA. A dirty and complicated war which we will never find out what went on. These guys don't have a command structure so not so easy to break. Moons, your links mainly refer to everyday crime and the Neo Liberal Orwellian angle is probably true, but it's not their fault either. People are shaking their heads knowing that mass migration without border checks could never end well. The inevitable is happening and the authorities are covering it up. At the same time pro EU supporters turning up with 'refugees welcome' banners are simply misguided fools. Calais has turned to Marmite with locals loosing their livelihoods as their city becomes a lawless jungle. Hotels abandoned on Greek islands as tourism has vanished. Halt the unlawful migration of the world's desperate into Europe, that's the answer. The 'Black Lives Matter' riot is another disturbing development which we will probably see more of. Good luck policing the Notting Hill Carnival this year. But the hot weather and a full moon does lead to civil violence.
Interesting that you mention Manchester. I was there a few months ago and passed through the Jewish community. Saw lots and lots of orthodox Jews wearing their , well to my non Jewish eyes, strange headgear with the long sideburns they have. It reminded me of when I used to pass through Goders green. Do you find that disturbing or insulting? How about Sikhs n Hindus who wear their traditional dress? How about christian groups who wear unusual, to our eyes, dress. I've seen them, they're not Amish but they have that kind of living separateness about then. Do they disturb or insult you? How about Rastafarians?
Also 11000 reported incidents of so called Honour Crime over the last five years, how many went unreported.
what about punks, rockers, skinheads, goths, traffic wardens. The thinly veiled xenophobia continues and everything's the fault of Liberals, Some very clever and well researched arguments and everything is the fault of the left, or remain voters. Plenty on here had a go at me for even suggesting that immigration was an issue in the brexit vote, even though I said it was an issue for me to and it needed addressing. I was accusing them of racism apparently. Well perhaps the sh1t actually fitted some people (their decision, not mine). I made comments about the increase in race hate. Again I was talking Marmitee! Now the veil has dropped and the true xenophobes are out of the closet. For info we are all concerned about the rise of religious fanaticism and want a magic bullet to solve it but there isn't one. The solutions are long and painful and are unlikely to be about banning religion, shooting immigrants, deportation (to where exactly). Some dangerous people on here with dangerous beliefs and well presented and researched arguments giving the impression of credibility but only coming from one angle and no answers!
Liberals allow extremists to flourish, that's the problem. You mentioned if someone was offended by other religious dress in the UK. Those groups are passive and not causing extreme violence or warping our laws. Hundreds of illegal schools practising pure forms of Islam, by way of balance there are a large number of illegal Jewish schools too. This a complete clash of our values yet people believe that we should tolerate and appease radicalism. Wouldn't the magic bullet be controlling massive migration of an opposing culture and shutting down extremism? It's not thinly disguised racism, just a common sense plan to nip things in the bud.
You write very well and quite convincingly although your words are hollow really and only point at what you say you perceive the problem to be without any indication of what you believe the solutions to be. maybe your just groping around trying to make sense of it all yourself but I suspect not. You are difficult to respond objectively to as its difficult to pinpoint just exactly what you are referring to. I find your posts very readable and seemingly informative although inflammatory. I don't believe that I'm the liberal (small l) that you refer to as I don't support illegality or believe in positively discriminating in favour of any group. I don't believe any right thinking person would support and condone the illegal actions of any form of indoctrination and as such believe you utilise the word "liberal" to create the bogey-man in our midst who is complicit in supporting the radicalisation of groups who would do us harm. You remind me of a former acquaintance who didn't share my moderate views indeed he was a BNP organiser. Very knowledgeable, convincing and persuasive with endless references to back up his viewpoint, (even before the internet) , could quote selected texts from many religions and frankly put any knowledge I thought I had to shame. In effect an educated and almost academic racist but totally unapologetic for his views. none of that made him right in my views and that of others. I believe he had some success in council elections but he was preaching to the converted and using his skills to persuade those with lesser skills to comprehend. In short there isn't a liberal bogey-man and there would be support from most people to curb the powers and influence of the extremists who would subjugate us who are no less fascist than those we have fought and defeated before.
These guys don't have a command structure so not so easy to break. believe me they do ,thats why they couldn t be beaten , in any war you cant win when you don t no who s who
You also write very well, long monolithic posts in which your views are full of well informed substance That's why I can't get my head around how almost all of the time you are utterly and completely wrong
