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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Zed, Jul 18, 2016.

  1. If you thought this was a way to create a police state and introduce a civilian arms business then that's a load of left wing tosh. The liberal left need to admit that Europe is involved in a war with Islamist extremists. Not just extremists, they are financed and helped by Sunni governments around the Middle East. If they try to brush Islamist violence under the carpet as they did with mass sexual assaults they will face a backlash. People will turn to the right wing to clear up the liberals' mess.
     
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  2. That's not quite true the BBC were reporting the incident before the identity of the attacker was known.
     
  3. Stabbing, bombing or axing ordinary people in the name of Islam is not your ordinary nutter with a mental disorder. The Islamist extremists are killing people deliberately. This is Islamist violence.

    They seem to be motivated by something we could never understand and the example of the lorry killings in Nice once again shows they are willing to kill muslims as well. Its indiscriminate murder.

    Like Germany, we have allowed so called Asylum seekers to come here and they treat us with contempt.
     
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  4. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    I've not stated there isn't an issue, I've nominated why here, why now.

    If you want a cure find and understand the cause, or you only fight a symptom.

    Sectarian violence is not new, what's causing this one do you think given that hundreds of millions of Muslims seem happy to live peaceful lives?
     
  5. Yes, sectarian violence is not new, but its usually one group vs another group.

    There are distinct sides each with their own cause or belief.

    What I find disturbing now is a trend where an Islamist extremist or group of them, carry out mass killings indisciminately. They murder their own muslims, families and children. Why?

    I don't think we will ever understand what is motivating them and I doubt if the millions of ordinary peaceful Muslims, understand it either.
     
  6. Woodylubber

    Woodylubber Obsessive compulsive name changer

    More of the same today, A woman and her 3 young daughters attacked and stabbed for dressing wrong in their own country, The people and politicians who are doing nothing about the situation are the problem not the so called people who they call racists, it seems that they would rather stamp down on that than the real issues of islam not being compatible in a modern western country

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb&WT.mc_id=sf31249724

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/19/mothe...ch-resort-for-being-scantily-dressed-6016072/
     
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  7. Turkey are the biggest manufacturer of washing machines and other domestic appliances, would it be prudent to buy now, before they become nla, as the world draws to a close?, or will I not see the guarantee out?
     
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  8. The Jihad cause was written a 1000 years ago and it is a strand of their religion, it is not a modern invention nor a result of Blair and Bush. They find someone to fight and we are the obvious target. Most Muslims do live peaceful lives, but up to 30% have sympathies with extremists. They are only the people who answered the polls. Professional British doctors driving bombs at airports and many going off to fight, you've got a religion that legitimises extreme violence beyond any moral code.

    Just as WoodyLubber describes above, I have witnessed a significant number of events involving the nasty side of Islamic oppression on women in their own homes, I was shocked as the women appeared very westernised. Again not compatible in a modern western country. But invite more in and build bigger mosques, just be prepared to accept it.

    It only takes a few thousand extremists and sympathisers to turn a country into a Northern Ireland. In the last year, 10,000 child migrants have disappeared throughout Europe into the hands of criminals.
     
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  9. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    I'm unsure why you are trying to steamroller a point, as I'm not stating an opposing opinion.

    I'll make myself clear.

    If a religion is 1000 years old and likes a ruck, why has it only started in the last 20 ish years and why is it ramping up now?

    Similar to the nazies, what triggered that and to what ends?

    If the point is they are more effective now, what changed?

    If they use modern comms platforms, the same ones that can build behavioural profiles on all of us, yet somehow can't spot an extremist so can't be switched off?

    You don't switch them off as you have no reason to promote a snoopers charter. People don't arm themselves without a threat, so give them a threat. Cut an arms budget due to peace, start a war.

    These are cycles over centuries.

    So what's enabled these events, and what freedoms will we surrender to be 'safe' this time?
     
  10. Because it hasn't stopped since the first started back in. 7th century
    Educate yourself now by asking any Armenian, Pontic Or other Greek, Assyrian, Hindu, Sikh, Ibo, Serb, Bulgarian, Zoroastrian, Yashidi, Ossetian, Russian Slav ....I could go on. And on. Basically any neighbour of an Islamic country know the score, Copts (one church burnt down per week in Egypt, no state protection).

    Discover more about the Arab and Turkik slave trades....100 million over history and counting.

    This hasn't stopped since then, it's just got louder due to the demographics (warfare in slow motion).
    Progressive liberals In The west will be used, and then offered the choice, convert or be liquidated.

    Hope this doesn't make me dangerous right wing nutter?
     
  11. the world was great ..


    until man invented god..:(
     
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  12. A time will come when people will assume all muslims are potential terrorists. The more incidents we hear about the more people will look upon muslims as bad people, even though they are not.

    But recent events have shown people the variety and extent of their violent actions. I fear that reprisals will happen if people see politicians not acting. There is a risk that people will take the law into their own hands and take revenge. Perhaps it is already happening.

    Muslims living peacefully in the community could find their lives more difficult and more difficult to integrate with the local population.

    I think in our country we have gone out of our way to welcome them here and practice their customs and religion freely. They have different customs from us and wear different clothes, but the UK is not their country so they should be grateful for being here and get on with their lives peacefully and make an effort to integrate.

    If they are unable to accept our dress, our behaviour and customs, they should pack up and go.
     
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  13. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    Where did that statistic come from? Do you have a link? Just wondering like.....
     
  14. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Supporter

    Sadly this is going to become an everyday event, one day 20 or so injured, the next day a couple of hundred killed. The stunts will get more spectacular and horrific and still we'll do nothing. All because one lot believe that their imaginary friend is better than the other lots imaginary friend.
     
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  15. It seems the main protagonists have the same imaginary friend and we are collateral damage!
     
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  16. I googled some phrases which led me to a wiki article that collected Muslim attitudes to terrorism around the world. They were based on dozens of poles, but not all Muslim countries were used to collect data and like all polls, only a tiny tiny amount of the population were asked. But like I said, it doesn't take a huge amount of people to cause total chaos.

    "36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed."

    "39% polled in Afghanistan believed violence was justified.

    I've picked out the worst of the statistics and worryingly the most relevant to us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism
     
  17. Lets hope we dont bump into a 16 to 24 year old brit ex pat muslim on our holidays in Kabul!
     
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  18. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Supporter

    Problem is that they're 95% brainwashed from birth to believe their imaginary friend is the ultimate authority. It only takes a small push and the next thing is they're driving a truck along a seafront.
     
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  19. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    How do you mean the UK is not their country? Pack up and go where exactly if they were born here?
     
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  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Like robots, incapable of thought? Must be easy to wash people's brains when they're so simple.

    Come on! When is the West going to understand that they mean it!
     

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