40 year rule for MOT exemption to come in 2018

This could be just the thin end of the wedge - the Heritage people didn't like the no MOT for pre 1960 - what could happen is that all MOT free historic vehicles may not be used as a daily vehicle - only for use going to and from an organised show or event - this is likely to be a Euro thing to get old cars off the road - so Brexit may turn out to be a blessing - we won't be able to drive in France with our buses!

 

Why do the British people always have to take the pessimist view I,m on a football forum and even though we,'re winning it's still doom and gloom

 

Then you will be driving around i a motor thats probably contravening section 100 of the construction and use regs... failing to maintain parts and accessories catch all..
Christ, imagine buying a VW camper that was MOT exempt.... half of them are piles of questionable roadworthiness as it is .. rejoicing over MOT exemption is just plain daft..

Dropping i a 1641 with twin carbs your gubbed and may also be in for an IVA check ... Thats not clear yet... or even potentially a significant annual excise fee if it goes on pollutants.. you see IF you are over the 15% increase in power to weight, you no longer qualify for any exemptions .... so despite the age of the vehicle it wont be exempt or deemed a VHI if its anything other than bone stock original running gear .. idependent front ends... nope, bigger motors ... nope independent rear ends on splittys , nope tubbing nope even severe lowering might be a no no even on stockish front end parts .. perhaps even adjustable rear spring plates ????

This has been in consultation for ages, no one was concerned about it in any field of the motoring hobby except some hot rodders... now the merde has hit the fan, YOU wil be REQUIRED to declare the vehicles status when taxing it ( yes even though you get free tax you still record it on DVLA but before you can proceed you will have to declare the vehicle is compliant and entitled to VHI status ... If yu click NO who knows yet but you could be in for a world of pain... Likewise if you click YES and your not the general consensus is that the DVLA will send you out a form which may require the inclusion of pictures to prove your compliant... If yu made a false declaration thats a criminal offence .. Sell the van to a new owner and they declare it modified when you didnt then you can probably expect so recourse for your actions ...

The price of all this stuff will be affected.. there might be some cheap splittys up for sale ... but you might need to spend a little on them to get them IVAd likewise some T2s

It could be that if you have the bigger power to weight and are no longer exempt under VHI criteria, your road rent could be on a par with the big old luxuary liners.. viz £500 per year... we dont know yet though as that side of things is still a mystery.... best keep your fingers and toes crossed that the P/W ratio thing falls on its arse..

 

While that possible, it's more likely to get classified as Private or light goods, which is £245 per year.

 

Yep I realise that but a simple chassis notch or tub to the chassis and your on a Q plate according to "The Rules" as it wont have the mandatory unmodified chassis.
Never mind all the guys running red9, lowered shocks, different engines and narrowed beams?
Not saying it is enforceable but dont want to have to put a Q plate on my 1970 because they say so.

Once my scooby conversion is done I will have standard steering - thats all so 2 points! Q plate according to the rules.

 

This will finally sort out all those silly boys in the hats and vape sticks with there ridiculous modified vans and cars

Up the purists!

They told everyone on the forums for years that they are ruining perfectly good vans and cars and no one listens

 

In Ireland (The Republic) we have no test for pre 1980's cars, the European ruling was that cars less than 30 years old need a test but here they stopped that rolling on in 2010, there is a government white paper to move to the same system as the UK and only have pre- 1960 test exempt (but I think they've missed the boat on using the UK as the example to follow if they want to bring back in a test). There's no question about modification but it should be road worthy, the biggest issue is with the insurance companies who will require an engineers report, but not necessarily if you are renewing your insurance with the same company.

 

Tax exempt is good and simple to apply. MOT exempt is daft and would be complicated re modifications. What would be good is a relaxation of emission testing for our old classics.

There were lots of MOT exempt classics at the shows this summer and presumably they were insured.

What we don't want is to go back to the pre MOT test days when there were so many wrecks on the road, usually maintained or not by their owners who couldn't afford garage work.

When the test came in, the old rusty wrecks disappeared.

 

And you'd have nothing to look at "MOT History" when someone puts their bus up for sale.

 

Er vehicles pre Aug 75 don t have emissions check on mot

 

Lmfao

 

They're pretty relaxed already. You can't retrospectively force modern emissions on a vehicle that wasn't designed for it.

Earlier Bays (can't remember the year) only have a test for "visible smoke". Later ones just have a test for CO emissions - 4.5% max as I recall, which a stock Solex can pass with ease.

 

I'm currently doing up a 72 bug . Now it's fairly solid have had new pans and various other "structural bits " done . I am currently 're doing all the ball joints , bearings . Brakes and lines ect I'm not rushing just a bit at a time . Now I would like to have it done by the end of the year. But if I didn't and say it took me untill june next year apart from possibly insurance issues does that technically mean I could just get in it and drive off ? It's totally stock appart from me renewing parts and it has had an engine rebuild in its time by vege but that's totally stick aswell . ?? I would get a local garage to have a nose at what I'd done as I woukd would have my kids in it occasionally just curious if technical I could just drive it away if it was completed after the law comes in ?

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If its of standard construction and you insure it then off you go! No biggy really. Have built a scooter up the day before going to a rally on a good few occasions and gone down the tax in post rule in the days when insurance was for any bike and there wasnt the ability to check records at the side of the road. Some peope even just kept one scooter motd and taxed but actually had several on the road throughout the year. Not me you understand! Kinda taking the approach that youve complied with the "spirit" of the law.

 

I'd imagine there is no published data on the weight of camper van converted buses anyway.

Get it in the scales hi vis vest man.....I always knew all that filler would pay dividends one day

 

Engine is only worth one point, so I have only lost that one from the Scooby conversion. I knew there was an advantage to going 'sleeper'.

 

I think the thing for scooby conversions would be the power increase:

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Initially I thought because of the 'substantially modified' clause that I would lose my tax exempt status

I've re read some of this and I don't think it has any implications for me

I'm currently tax exempt and I think i'm staying tax exempt, even though I may be classed as substantially modified
I currently MOT my vehicle each year and will probably have to continue to do so as I may be classed as substantially modified

I may have to tick a box when renewing my tax that says 'modified', but this just means I'll have to have an mot & insurance to get my free tax (same as now)

I think!

 

But how will they know? How will they reliably gather information regarding which ones are "substantially modified", as this will cost money, and will they care? In a scene where you can unbolt 4 bolts and bolt in a 2332 witch will take you over the threshold of +15% power to weight ratio, there will be hundreds of VWs that will need to be investigated for whether they fail the "substantially modified" test. This is being brought in as a blanket exemption (to de-regulate and save the government money, obviously, 2 key Tory mantras) so they're not going to want to have to add a complex system of removing vehicles from the exemption.