Someone please explain to me why you would vote Tory.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by tommygoldy, May 8, 2015.

  1. Where is the money? I think mostly rich people have it.
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  3. sANDYbAY

    sANDYbAY On benefits-won't sponsor!

    @Moons I believe you should start a political party, call it something along the lines of "Common Sense", good managers rewarded, poor managers sacked, waste minimised, businesses run with a social conscience. Moral realistic decisions about help for the needy, a more equitable distribution of wealth and a living wage for all workers.

    I'd vote for you in a heartbeat....I just don't know how a utopia like that could actually be achieved.
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  4. Not everyone who voted wanted a government.
  5. We have that - New Labour - but the population decided to stick with the eton mafia! Villans!
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  6. Some wanted Stavros Flatley!
  7. Moons

    Moons Moderator

    Haha - you won't believe this - but what you describe above is one of the mainstays of one of our banks - Capital One!

    They let the bottom 10% go each year across the board - the monitoring and improvement process is fair and equitable - it keeps people on their toes, rewards performance and punished crap effort.

    I know it's unpopular, but I really liked working with them - in 2007 at least when I was there they were very customer centric.
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  8. Woodylubber

    Woodylubber Obsessive compulsive name changer

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  9. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Moderator

    Eh oop. When I were a lad we voted int pit, cos we were chained to rockface ........
  10. Woodylubber

    Woodylubber Obsessive compulsive name changer

    Coal face :thumbsup:
  11. So only two thirds of the population voted, and of that two thirds, only just over one third wanted the Tories. I'm not clever enough to work out how many of the total population didn't want them.
  12. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Moderator

    Dog breath!
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  13. sANDYbAY

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    I'd be mega impressed if you owned one bank, but you own MORE than one. :eek: No wonder you can afford to run a late bay.
  14. Moons

    Moons Moderator


    I wish.

    I think I should start a youtube link party - simply because what I talk about is excellent theoretically, not so easy in actuality :(
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  15. Woodylubber

    Woodylubber Obsessive compulsive name changer

  16. sANDYbAY

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    Can't read more than the first few sentences because there a flipping pop up advert obscuring the article.
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  18. sANDYbAY

    sANDYbAY On benefits-won't sponsor!

    Oh well, that's me staying ignorant then :)

    To be honest I'm getting a bit bored with it all now. We lost. Suck it up and crack on with it.
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  19. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Moderator

    We are all modern lefties mate. ( I mean Labour voters that is ) The post war Labour government had chance to change things after our grandparents had fought to save the wealth of the aristocracy. They introduced the welfare state etc on the back of it. Since the likes of Red Ken and the like in the 70's and Maggies cow towing to the ultra rich There has been a less opportunity for the working class to get even more benefits for themselves ( better pensions for one)and Blairs last term never helped the cause.I have a funny feeling this government will take even more off us. For those that think we are well off and can't complain compared to other countries, Think on, we may not have all these things free one day. Knock Labour, knock the unions, but don't devalue your own worth and entitlement. The Tories can do that for you.

    They are just the tools of the aristocracy.
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  20. Woodylubber

    Woodylubber Obsessive compulsive name changer

    This is the article :thumbsup:

    Miliband sowed the seeds of defeat by failing to connect with the white working class it has long taken for granted

    Up in my home town, Doncaster, to cover the Ukip conference last autumn, I spent a morning seeking an Ed Miliband fan. Outside the Frenchgate centre, in the busy market, even in the Labour club where old miners drank and reminisced, enthusiasm never exceeded a shrugging “He’s all reet, but he’s nowt to do with us”.

    Farage may be routed, Ukip left with only one seat, but Labour should worry about more than their busted Scottish heartland. The north too is in revolt. Ukip enjoyed big swings in the northeast, came second in Hartlepool, was up 18 per cent in Ed’s own Doncaster North. Ed Balls lost Morley and Outwood because the collapsed Lib Dem vote flowed to his Ukip opponent, not him.

    Throughout the election campaign, Labour stalwarts treated Ed Miliband like Tinkerbell: forcing themselves to keep believing for fear he would die. Every “hell yes” or hen-night selfie, the madness of Milifandom, was seized on as an augury that he was pushing through. For six weeks he was propelled along on a bubble of wishful thinking that popped at the ballot box.

    Even in the bits of the map still solid red today, Ed Miliband didn’t connect. When I followed the Labour candidate Sarah Champion around Rotherham, people pledged their support by saying “My mum/dad/grandma would turn in her grave if I voted anything else.” I wondered: what future for a party founded upon ancestor worship, not policy?

    The Old Labour infrastructure is crumbling. Working men’s clubs were killed by the smoking ban; heavy industry with its trade union solidarity is gone; co-ops and mutuals have been replaced by superstores and online banking. Labour as a cultural movement is fading like the memory of your granny’s gran.

    Among the London left there is incomprehension of Labour voters turning Ukip. Tories they understand: voting Ukip is just an escalation of their pettiness and xenophobia. But noble, salt of the earth northern socialists: why? Well, put Labour councils in power for decades without any viable political opposition and sexual abuse rings like Rotherham and Rochdale or municipal corruption scandals such as “Donnygate” grow. Fail to find a replacement for the fishing industry in Grimsby, the mines and steel mills in South Yorkshire, then comes the rage . . .

    Besides, many northern Labour MPs have their hearts on a southbound train. Ed Miliband won selection from cussed Yorkshire folk by dazzling them with his proximity to power. He promised Gordon Brown would campaign in the town: he popped by. When a woman complained about a local bus service, Ed phoned the transport minister in front of her, promising to get it sorted out. Ed has empathy, remembers names, is a well-meaning, decent human being: but repeating the words “working people” like a mantra doesn’t mean you have a feel for their lives.

    Labour must regret that Farage lost. Not just so he’d torment the Tories, but because he has limited appeal in the north. His pub-bloke, Top Gear shtick was enjoyed, but voters knew he was a Tory, a southern toff. What if he is replaced by his deputy Paul Nuttall? I met him in Rotherham: only 38, quick-witted, pugilistic, working class, ex-Labour, a Scouser with ambition: a Big Ben ringtone on his phone.

    In his resignation speech, Farage said that a younger Ukip supporter base is rising. Ukip failed to win even Great Grimsby because its ground organisation is poor. Its voters are older, therefore less likely to campaign. Party structure was ad hoc, selection of candidates hurried, with little available choice. Hate and anger may be enough to inspire people to vote, but not to tramp the streets. In Doncaster, I met many young Ukippers in low-paid jobs and rubbish private rented housing, angry equally about rich bankers in London and the sudden influx of Roma into the town. What if these people, seeing Ukip win local council seats, decide to play a part?

    It was not just the north that Ed Miliband failed to speak to. How extraordinary that Labour didn’t even try to offer hope to cast-aside Clacton. It couldn’t connect with historically Labour cities such as Bristol, Norwich, Southampton, Ipswich. For God’s sake, it lost in Bury North! Apart from outliers like Ilford North or Wirral West, the only gains it made from the Conservatives were in London or other areas high in ethnic minorities and graduates. Is Labour still a party for the white working class?

    In this election it neither addressed the issue they are most concerned about — uncontrolled EU immigration — nor offered an upbeat narrative. Rather Labour posed “hard-working families” as victims, oppressed by markets and inequality. The Tories won by whipping up fear of economic and constitutional chaos, but Labour promised class strife. Nice middle-income families, wondering whether to try Sardinia this year, would like to tax non-doms and pay lower energy bills, but recoil from any whiff of the barricades.

    Labour can only elect a winning leader if it looks beyond its sickly husband/wife, sisters and brothers gene pool. None of the front runners appeals. Yvette Cooper is a mouse; Chuka Umunna is a preening metrosexual who’d never cut it in the north. A Tristram? I think not. Lately Labour’s best candidates have been outsiders: Sarah Champion, Naz Shah, Dan Jarvis. There’s no hurry: five more years and then Boris. Time enough to get it right.
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