Engine refresh

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Adrian1975, Feb 21, 2022.

  1. matty

    matty Supporter

    What about dropping the oil and seeing if there’s any metal sheen
     
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  2. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    Pics as promised , drove it for 20 mins and she drive like a dream , very responsive no pops or bangs 20220505_165330.jpg 20220505_165339.jpg 20220505_165352.jpg 20220505_165407.jpg 20220505_165442.jpg 20220505_165516.jpg 20220505_165352.jpg 20220505_165611.jpg 20220505_165619.jpg 20220505_170122.jpg
     
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  3. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    Those adjusting screws have a pronounced ball end and the small contact area is probably hammering into the valve stem. These would be better. EDIT: Where did you buy the new adjusters?

    Valve adjusting screw.jpg
     
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  4. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    Gsf, I might still have the originals,

    They haven't worn 1.5mm though
     
  5. If you’ve still got the VW originals, give those a go.
     
  6. Some i used before I converted to elephants foot type were made of cheese I recon.
    There’s a lot of poor quality repo out there.
    I think Heritage did some better quality ones but do some searching.
     
  7. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Heritage also once apologised for selling cheese metal ones by mistake..
     
  8. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    Well I've got the originals, job for tomorrow now 20220505_202649.jpg
     
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  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Why were the screws changed?

    You said that after that driveway idling and revving to check/set the timing the gaps had changed to 1.5mm+.
    Then you reset and went for a drive without problem.
    I suggest if it something wearing they would have increased again similarly dramatically.
    Have you checked them after your drive?
    I don't mean to be rude but is it possible your valve gap setting is a wee bit... suspect?
    Rockers can be strange beasts - I always grab the valve end and give them a good heave-ho in and out rattling after setting each one, then double check the gap.
     
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  10. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    They were replaced when I changed the exhaust valves in the heads just so every thing was new,

    On the original build, I did the 20mins @ 2000rpm , then did a 140 mile break in "trip" just local roads ran fine

    Next morning, checked clearances and they had increased to .80+( didn't bother measuring exactly just put the .80 feeler in and it was more than that,) adjusted to 0.15 left overnight went to go camping and it blew up after 40 miles

    On this occasion I rebuilt every thing again, checked checked and checked, let it idle so I can be sure it would run when on the road checked timing, it ran for less than 10 mins , it was getting late so xalled it a day,

    Checked the clearances this morning and they had increased to the measurements in the picture,

    Rocker shaft nuts tights,
    Push rods @280mm

    Reset to 0.15

    Drove for 20 mins and will check again in the morning

    I always push the rocker on to the pushrod when checking/adjusting, 1 exhaust and 1 inlet will rock on that cylinder, inlet on the Next cylinder will also rock ,
     
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  11. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    A comment about idling the engine - don’t. The valve train from cam right through to valve tip is under the same load at idle as it is at 5000 revs BUT it has little lubrication at low revs.

    People that start the engine and allow it to idle to warm up are damaging the engine unnecessarily; clearances throughout the engine are designed for normal operating temperature and it should reach that temperature as soon as possible. The engine will never reach normal temperature idling.
     
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  12. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    I understand the dont let it idle, but how are you meant to make sure it's going to actually run, so It don't cut out when you press the throttle, carb adjustments are done, and timing set, all needs to be adjusted before you can drive it, I understand the metal on metal wear untill the engine has lubricated it's self
     
  13. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    Ok, so after resetting the clearances to .15 yesterday and taking it for a 20 min drive

    I've just rechecked the clearances on a stone cold engine

    Please see pic , only one slight adjustment made

    I will be checking after every use for the next week or so to monitor 20220506_121106.jpg
     
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  14. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Excellent - what do you think then - user error or wibbly engine?
    There would be no "settling in" here so you can't hope that was the cause of the initial huge increase in the gaps.
    Anyway, fingers crossed you now have it set right and will have many years trouble free motoring.
     
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  15. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    I
    Honestly don't know, it seems strange I did every thing exactly the same , set all the clearances whilst on the engine stand after torquing up the heads and barrels,
    I've just returned from Harry harpic, he checked all the timing, dwel angle, max advance, the only adjustment he made was with the fuel screw on the ict carbs,

    I took the destroyed piston and he thinks air leak to cause that damage

    I'm going to check clearance again tomorrow when cold, and fingers crossed all ok
     
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  16. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    I was looking forward to a 1776 aswell lol
     
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  17. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Do you have empi fibre gaskets between head and inlet manifolds? I really like them, but after the first 10-20 miles they always need retightening. Not a bad idea to check inlet and exhaust fixings after that kind of initial mileage anyway. After that things tend to stay put.
     
  18. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    No just
    No just the pressed metal ones, I will be checking all nuts tomorrow, I've just found the dipstick temperature vague that I will also fit
     
  19. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Do you remember any problem regarding the inlet manifolds and the cylinder shroud tinware? Perhaps last time they clashed leaving a leak, it's a very common problem. :)
     
  20. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    I did, it was on a replacement 1&2 cover, which I had to rivet the air deflector on the back as it never had one,

    I persuaded it with a bit of wood to clearance the manifolds only on 1&2 , 3&4 was fine, I think the tinware was repro,
     
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