Another London attack?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Baysearcher, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. well Im pleased to hear that.
     
  2. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    And as I said, the more this happens; the less people will give a ****.
     
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  3. lets do it the other way try to keep an eye on these individuals then when they kill 25-30 people say we had this person on a radar but couldn't lock them up on a whim
     
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  4. In Israel suiside bomber action don't end there the government had enough of it and as a punishment the family homes where flatted to the ground.

    This is what they do to stop these cowards and make them think twice before doing something so horrific.

    I don't agree with it but it radically stopped the actions of these idiots
     
  5. You're going to hate this....

    But we are allowed to think whatever we want, it's a fundamental right....by think I mean actual thought, not talk, act etc, just think and conclude in your own head.

    A massive majority on the watch list have not committed a crime under British law that can be proven...so they can only be in effect monitored.

    Internment based on committing no crime starts and stops where in a free country?

    It starts with 'we' suspecting that 'they' will actually act....and how do we do that....we can't, so we in effect guess.

    That is a worrying precedent....would you want the state to guess your intentions because of the company you keep?

    E.g. football hooligans start killing people (bear with me, I'm not saying in any way that's likely). You go to a stadium where hooligans of that type congregate, you might know some and say hello. But they don't talk to you about what they plan.

    But you are on a watch list now.

    So you get interned....at which point are you innocent and can prove it, at which point might you become radicalised when surrounded by people in the same situation, having done nothing, yet can't go home?

    Internment isn't the answer, even if we had the space and resources.

    I don't know what the answer is....when you can get a dozen pot heads/low life's to act in this way over something as untouchable (in law) as religion, I don't think there ever we be an answer.

    What there will be is more monitoring of totally innocent UK citizens, and as I stated years ago now, a drive to arm citizens.


    Personally I think all these lot communicate over electronic networks, use phones, computers and software to run it all.

    When you look at a Hoover, then every page you look at them has pop up or imbedded adverts with hoovers on it (so something is monitoring you)....I fail to understand how any company - Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc can state they are powerless.

    I'd make a start there, if it drives the genuine threats further underground so be it...it at least can start to cease some of this bile.

    (An example of YouTube...there was a live feed of the lions rugby game removed after 45 minutes yesterday because no doubt sky leaned on them....there are videos of beheadings that families have been begging to be removed for years untouched - powerless is a sham).
     
  6. Basically because companies pay for this information, so its fine.
    If I request the name and address based on a number plate I cant get it due to supposed privacy laws , set up a company to fine people for parking and pay them for it that's fine :thumbsup:
     
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  7. We're fighting a losing battle, not only are we fighting the terrorist but also fighting people who will defend their
    I'm just worried and I don't know what else we can do, time after time we hear the terrorists are known to the security forces
     
  8. A defining moment for Theresa May - as Home Secretary she oversaw large scale cuts to Border, Police and Security Forces and, since seizing the top job, has been hiding or avoiding difficult questions.

    So come on, lets have some real leadership and firm pledges of action, lets make terrorism THE election issue, instead of her constant trumpeting of Brexit.
     
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  9. I know buddy....I guess that's the whole point of terrorism, it's to scare citizens in to reacting emotionally rather than with cold hard thought.

    It's no accident one of those scum bags was wearing a football shirt.

    Monitoring (imagine watching someone covertly - it takes at least 16 people to do that 24hrs a day per suspect) is not viable. Internment is not viable.

    I doubt it ever will be 'fixed' but at the top, this is all about business and power...those f&&kers need getting at. Start with our 'friends' the Saudis.
     
  10. Your analogy with football hooliganism is pertinent, because back in the day there was an equivalent of a watch list - ask anyone who used to follow the game in the 80's and they tell you that there was plenty of covert monitoring, low level intimidation, confiscation of passports when teams played oversees and then the overarching banning orders that were/are quite draconian and can ban an individual from all sporting venues indefinitely.

    And that is just for hooliganism.


    So lets get this watch list updated and make the lives of every singly name on this list a misery. Overtly follow them, stop and search them, as they did to football fans regularly, restrict their free movement - as they did/do to football fans regularly. Escort them through towns and cities from their arrival to their departure, then sit on trains with them, escort their cars, buses and coaches and wait inside and outside every public venue they enter.

    And remember, ALL football fans experienced this type of blanket treatment, not just hooligans.

    No more excuses.
     
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  11. Yes, but...

    Handily, football fans used to congregate en masse in one place, once a week, wearing colours that identified them....you even knew at what time and how they got there.

    I agree there is some middle ground though....so it's about manpower and the police.

    I fear a dreadful knee jerk reaction will be some privatised army of noddys doing this.
     

  12. That's not how hooliganism worked............wearing colours and turning up at predictable times en-masse was the last thing they'd do. That's why the police used to hoover up everyone, to try to catch the ones trying to stay under the radar.

    The middle ground is for May to admit that constant cutting of public services has contributed to these issues and has to stop. She will have to put serious amounts of public money ( not this 'real-terms' bull-Marmite that excludes inflation etc) in, so that people see the proverbial 'Bobby on the street' again, instead of just a speeding squad car a couple of times a week.
     
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  13. I agree instead of giving themselves a nice raise and wasting public funds on a wendy house for their pet hamster :thumbsup:
     
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  14. Its not just about that though is it, it's also about giving them the power to deal with things, all those planning on voting Labour this week @Purple @SweeneyTodd Corbyn has never supported a tightening of the terrorism laws. I don't like use web links but http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ns-three-decades-blocking-terror-legislation/

    Dealing with terrorism is about specialist teams not bobbys on the street.

    Didn't make it right or solve the problem though.
     


  15. Didn't solve the problem did it? When were you last caught up in large scale hooliganism then?

    I can't work you out fella, you seem to hold juxta-positions on almost everything.
     
  16. I think we need them anyway, quite a lot of information can be gained by speaking to people and gaining trust.
     
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  17. Not sure I agree with that....local policing served this nation well for decades.

    Dressing the police like paramilitaries was a backward step...it was an informed decision to make them look intimidating rather than someone there for the good of the community, that you could approach.

    Local councils are using anti terrorism legislation to gather evidence over stupid things like wheely bins....current and any planned changes need to be used sparingly and not abused.
     
  18. The 'religion of peace' strikes again:(
     
  19. I missed out the words "also" and "just" would agree with that but they have to work in conjunction with specialist teams, which also need to be properly funded and for @Moons I wasn't talking about paramilitaries, although no doubt like last night they also have a role to play.

    Of course and if they are abusing these powers then they need to be held to account.
     
  20. I suppose Mrs May is to blame for Westminster, Manchester, and London Bridge
     

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