vehicle excise duty

Sometimes the obvious isnt obvious till its pointed out , think ill sit back till april as im not using the van , then try online to and see what the result is

 

i dont think the guv would get away with not doing this now .

 

Any vehicle with a first registration date before the 1st January 1974 isn't going to need to prove anything. For example, my van was first registered in the UK on 25th June 1973: DVLA's own document admits it exists by that date, so by their own admission its old enough for historic vehicle status when the rules change in April.

The ones who will need a letter from VW/birth certificate from Stiftungs Automuseum are those manufactured before 1/1/74 but not registered until after that date, and imported vehicles e.g. from the US where they have only imported relatively recently (but then the latter are likely to have the proof they need anyway because they would have needed this to get an age-related plate when first importing into the UK).

Tax exemption is not automatic, and so the website will not automatically apply it as has been suggested by someone else. Any currently non-tax-exempt Bay is going to be classed as 'PLG' on the V5c: "private/light goods". To qualify for free tax discs you have to apply to have the status of your vehicle changed from PLG to HISTORIC.

I think the reason why they haven't said how they're going to deal with it is because they don't know yet. They probably won't know until the very last minute, when they are actually forced to do something about it.

 

thats not helping

 

im wondering what would they do if you didnt pay , coz if you didnt have too ??

 

please dont use me as an excuse for your addictions

 

Unfortunately mine states declared manufactured 1974 on the V5 , so ive just sent off for the VW/birth certificate from Stiftungs Automuseum
lets see what turns up

 

I would seriously check your VIN Plate and work out your build date, since its the build date that they are supposed to operate from for taxation purposes, not the UK Registration Date. A vehicle first Registered in the UK on 29th January 1973, but manufactured abroad is most likely built before 1st January 1973, you might find your vehicle should already be tax exempt as an Historic Vehicle as a pre-73 built vehicle. If you can prove its pre-73 then you can claim back any VED tax that has been paid on the vehicle since you've owned it, and that could go back to 1997.

 

Its more complicated than that, if you do have a vehicle that is currently built pre-73 (see my earlier post), or in April 2014 you have a vehicle you can prove is built pre-74 (yes I have a 412LS Variant UK Registered in September 74, but built pre-74), then you're supposed to send your proof plus V5 via one of the DVLA Recognised routes, there's three clubs they accept, and you'll then get your vehicle V5 listed with the build date, and returned to you. You cannot send your V5 and proof to the DVLA as an individual, they won't accept applications from individuals, only via clubs on their approved list.

Note, these clubs can charge a fee, so it may be worthwhile finding out whether they even need a Stiftung AutoMuseum Volkswagen Birth Certificate or Letter to accompany your application, it may be the case of you ending up paying twice if you don't do a bit of research first.

Once you get the amended V5 back, you will still have to change the taxation class of your vehicle in April 2014, or earlier if you discover you really do have a pre-73 and didn't know it, as a Historic Vehicle, this means sending your V5 to the DVLA again using another form. I'm not sure which form you have to complete for claiming back road tax that you've paid for donkeys years by mistake.

However, the Government really haven't told the DVLA that the change they announced in the 2013 Budget is to go ahead, until they do so, is all fingers crossed. Unluckily for me, I went to the Shrewsbury DVLA Local Office a few weeks before they shut permanently in Government cuts, they didn't advise me correctly and just took my V5 and photocopied my Letter from the German Museum and sent them to Swansea, short circuiting the whole process since all I've had is a letter before Christmas, after two months waiting, stating that they are looking at my proof.

I'm still waiting.

So as I've since found the correct route to doing this its not one that is open to me now.

You can imagine I have my fingers crossed.

 

Ours was built in '73 but registered in '75- think I'll just tax it as normal and wait to see what happens come April. Sounds like another gov grade A mess.

 

So which clubs?

 

I'm sure when the historic tax thing first came out my dad had a 1971 car than was registered during 1971 so was going to be free to tax. When the tax reminder came it was free. Amount payable nil! So my bus is a 73, registered in August 73 so in august will be free to tax. My tax runs out at the end of February. So it will need taxing then but in April I can send that tax back and get it taxed historic!

 

The approved list is on V765 at the DVLA

I'm on an iPhone at the minute, I don't have the information to hand, I know I would have considered the ABVWC since the Type 3 & 4 Club is a member of that, and I'm a member of that club.

Is TLB a member of the ABVWC?

I don't know, but if there's a rolling exemption likely, maybe it should be.

 

Ok, rang DVLA today, to speak to the Case Officer.

Seems they had contact with Volkswagen UK, who confirmed the car was made in 1973, so a brand new V5 stating that the 412LS was built in 1973 is winging its way here.

Took a long time, maybe the clue that the Museum that wrote the letter is based in the old factory that built the car wasn't so obvious to them?

Anyway, job done, just need to change the taxation class of both Variants in April (assuming the Government keeps its word), to Historic Vehicles, woo hoo!!!

As regards the T2, which is Registered in '76, is there an easy online link to work out the build date?

You never know, the Government might, just might, start a rolling exemption, so it'd be handy to work out how much longer it'd need Road Tax.

 

Ok, my T2 definitely built in 1976, so I'd have to wait until April 2017 if they start a rolling exemption, oh well, such is life :-(

 

I got the response from DVLA that they nothing about this forthcoming change and as far as they were concerned I would have to pay as usual (1973 Van). I asked to speak to a manager who suggested I contact Dept for Transport. They told me that they were aware but it was nothing to do with them and I would have to speak to DVLA. Got back to DVLA who reaffirmed they knew nothing.

 

Well, I wrote to the All Party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group, asking why legislation wasn't within the Finance Bill 2014, which is scheduled to be laid before Parliament before April.

The Finance Bill 2014 does contain legislation for two changes, the end of paper VED discs being issued or displayed on vehicles (1st October), and the introduction of monthly Direct Debit Payments for buying VED, which is subject to a 5% surcharge. The latter is cheaper than buying six months tax in advance, which attracts a 10% surcharge.

Anyway, apparently the Government doesn't need to include Legislation for a change in VED rates, which includes Historic Vehicles Exemption, its a matter for the Chancellor to decide every year at his discretion. However, a rolling exemption would require such legislation to be introduced, the earliest possible being the next Finance Bill in 2015, so we know where we stand now.

Here's the response I have from the APPHVG:

'Dear Mr XXXXX,

Thank you for your email.

Sir Greg campaigned for this change and he will not let the Government forget their commitment.

Because this is a tax rates and bands related matter no draft legislation was issued as part of the publication of the draft Finance Bill 2014 on 10 December 2013. The Government will publish the legislation when the final Finance Bill 2014 is laid in Parliament shortly after Budget 2014.

I hope that this reassures you.

Regards,
Matthew Thomas'

This isn't going to be fantastic news by those with Pre-75 vehicles...etc...