Is it like 1980s USSR where you are..,,

One tangible benefit of leaving was the development of the AZ covid vaccine and the related vaccination programme.

 

Oh yeah. Ok. Cos over 50% of the population are plumbers aren’t they. What a silly comment.

 

That's a hyperthetical scenario and you've got a vested interest. I'm the same with HS2, my son works on it.

But pandemic wasn't written on the big red bus so we'll never know will we?

Neither was war in Ukraine so the same applies with the so called EU army.
Maybe people would have thought differently if they saw the Ukraine war coming. You could argue that Putin capitalised on the weakness of the EU as a result of the UK leaving.

 

It's as balanced as some of the rational you come up with. And it was a 48/52 ratio, so only needed a relatively small amount of the trade counters to swing it.

 

We were a net contributor because we are a wealthy country, it’s what you do to help out the fledging economies of the newcomers. - Why? When we have a collapsing nhs, woefully under funded education, homelessness, pee poor mental health support IN THIS COUNTRY would we try to improve the lives of other countries before using our taxes to sort our own country first.

Economic migrants come here because of our quality of live and, by comparison, fantastic opportunities. - well that’s lovely. I’d love to live in St Lucia or Florida. But I’ve got no rights to and the rest of the world doesn’t work like that.

'We' didnt bail out Greece, the EU collective did. - that’s just silly. It cost this country billions to bail them out and stop a collapse of the Euro and you know it.

Ask the impoverished parts of the UK that no longer get inward EU grants and now have tocompete for a slice of the measly government'levelling up' fund. - you think there wasn’t a north south divide when we were in the EU? London and the south east has always got more investment.

 

believe me I care much more about my family, friends, animals, fishing and Tottenham Hotspur than I ever have or ever will care about Brexit. It’s just sometimes this place needs a little bit of balance.

 

So enlighten us then. You’ve seen the points I’ve listed above. Counter them in an adult way without the silly comments.

 

No you counter your negatives with the positives. You can't because there haven't been any to date. How long have we got to wait ?
Trade deals with a few banana republics?

Great.

 

I’m assuming you’ve never needed or used a tradesman for anything then? Seeing as they are all thick I’m assuming you know everything there is to know about all their trades and obviously every single tradesperson is a fat white middle aged straight brexit voting bloke. I think Merlin might have something to say about that.

 

I'm an electrician by trade, been to plenty of trade counters in my time so know the score.

 

Then that makes your statement even more ludicrous.

 

No it doesn't, it makes it credible. I'm still laughing at the notion that emotive slogans on the big bus weren't to be taken seriously, that warming up the immigration debate and take back control wasn't a deliberate ploy to get the rank and file salivating.

Ask them now what they think.....

 

In my whole life I have never met anyone who has made such a fuss about winning something,
But we do now,
I hate the fact we lost and I have personally lost
But I think you are angry because you have won and you don’t like that people like me have lost
And then you still moan,
Like scooter boy says tell us what is good about it,
Apart from we won
And We have blue passports now
Well come on Nipper
We want to know
After all we are the wounded party here
Come on Throw us a bone here Nipper

 

Well there you go - in a nutshell.

I'm alright Jack, up yours.

 

We have the ability to limit numbers entering the country, not only from outside the EU but from EU countries.

we have the ability to use a points based system for immigration similar to that used in many other countries like America and Australia. Selecting those who have the skills we most need filling whilst limiting unskilled migrants.

we can make our own laws.

we can trade with the rest of the world on our terms and not those collectively set to benefit the whole EU

we can approve and regulate our own medicines.

we can prioritise the spending of our taxation on this country first.

we can set our own taxation rates. The famous one being we no longer have to tax tampons as a luxury item.

 

or alternatively. Charity begins at home.

 

We have the ability? Why isn't it happening then? It's a smokescreen, as it was during the campaign.

But we've scrapped the tampon tax.
All hail brexit....

 

How can it possibly make it more credible. You voted to remain and you are a tradesman who uses trade counters. So your argument that I need to stay away from trades counters is utterly bonkers then isn’t it. Cos clearly your own example of YOU destroys your own argument that tradesman are all thick brexit voters.

 

Alternatively I'm alright Jack, up yours.

 

If you step back and think first, I've not said everyone have I - you've made that assumption. But the propaganda of immigration and law making ie take back control was a deliberate push at the rank and file, of which the trades are high in numbers, not many of us look past the headlines, I know that from early adulthood spent in contracting, I don't need you to tell me otherwise. There's not many reading the Independant. Some, but not many.