Is it like 1980s USSR where you are..,,

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mattlad, Feb 20, 2023.

  1. Apparently when we get to this
    Point
    We are forced to accept that we must
    Move on,
    Well I thought that we had when we joined the EU
    Not backwards
    Crack on Nipper
    But you better put your prices up
    For those who can afford it
     
  2. There’s nothing stopping you donating large proportions of your income to infrastructure projects in ex soviet countries if that’s something you feel passionate about. I give my charity donations to Cancer Research for what they do in this country and to Oxfam for the work they do abroad.
     
  3. I'll tell you what, let's see which of us can refrain from commenting on it. But I'll leave you with the first antagonistic, goading post that set this all rolling again.

    "You lost by the way".......

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  4. we never joined the EU. We voted to join a common market. Then politicians took it upon themselves to hand more and more of the control of our lives to Europe without consulting us. Maastricht and Lisbon for example.

    If between them they hadn’t spent years eroding our sovereignty and removing our controls or rights to exist as an independent nation then this would never have happened. I’ve never met a single brexit voter who voted to leave because they hated doing trade with the EU. But I’ve met plenty who hated being controlled by them.
     
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  5. The notion of measured debate is to put one's point over to those who do not see the other side of the argument.


    I now understand, the lady is not for turning ;)
     
  6. I did try. Honestly I did.
     
  7. Oh no you didn't :D
     
  8. Is it panto season? Are you behind me? :)
     
  9. Sadly, no :(
     
  10. Are you saying you’d like to be behind me?
     
  11. CollyP

    CollyP Moderator

    Errrrm. I think it still can.
    Or at least it was until BJ decided (post Brexit) that he didn’t like it and wanted to deport illegal immigrants to Africa.
    Now, I am not interested in your thoughts on the immigrants or their expulsion - that is a different matter.
    My point is that we left the EU, we did not leave the ECHR. You are incorrect on this point.
     
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  12. The beginning of this thread was, I think, about the shortage of vegetables in supermarkets.
    There's been bad weather in the growing areas. True, and the weather isn't a result of Brexit. But the weather has created a shortage, and the growers are selling to where they get the highest price for the lowest outlay. Britain is more expensive to sell and ship to now, so they are keeping their sales in Europe. That is a result of Brexit. Then again, what with us being an island and goods needing shipping over here, maybe we would always be more expensive to sell to and there would be a shortage anyway, regardless of Brexit. Nobody knows for sure.

    What really annoys me about our leaving the EU isn't who voted for what or whether we got what we voted for or not.
    It's that the ones who led the campaign to leave didn't do it because they thought it was right for the country or for the people. They did it for their own profits and power.
    Maybe nobody believed what was written on the big bus when they voted. But we believed them when they said it was only an "indicative vote". And when they said we wouldn't leave until after a trade deal was signed.
    And when they said they had an "oven ready" deal all set to go.
    And when they said that the money we wouldn't have to send to Europe would stay here and make us all better off.
    All lies from the ones with the least to lose and the most to gain.

    Sorry, rant over o_O
     
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  13. yes you are correct. As it stands at the moment we have not left ECHR. Hopefully one day we will. Had we remained we could never have left it. Brexit has at least brought us one step closer to that possibility. But yes I concede I was incorrect on that point and I apologise. I should have been clearer.
     
  14. As with most things in life, be it tomatoes or Brexit. It comes down to greed. If our supermarkets hadn’t driven down the price they pay farmers for food to the point of it not being a viable business anymore, then our growers might have still grown the veg in greenhouses over winter like every other year. If the energy companies weren’t so greedy then it wouldnt have made it impossible to heat those greenhouses and turn a profit this winter. If the petroleum companies hadn’t hiked up the price of fuel ro record prices then it wouldn’t have been so expensive to transport goods from Spain. Greed lies at the heart of this veg shortage.

    To address the point regarding the Brexit promises. I genuinely never listened to a thing that a politician told me would or would not happen if we voted in or out and actually believed them. I’ve always believed you can tell if a politician is lying because their mouths move. I voted to leave because of what I saw with my own eyes, not because of a silly bus or stupid sound bite slogans. No one duped me, because I might of heard but I certainly wasn’t listening.
     
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  15. Chrisd

    Chrisd Supporter

    Fact...is the glass half full or half empty? Maybe that's is why we are not seeing the other person's viewpoint. They can both be right and both wrong at the same time...viewpoints.

    I voted to remain because I liked belonging to the club, the European club. I didn't like all of the rules or some of the members, but I liked the club, I liked what the club offered, my glass was half full. Others looking at the same glass didn't think the club rules etc were worth it in their view...glass half empty.

    We now belong to a different club
     
  16. surreyvan

    surreyvan Supporter

    back on thread plenty of veg and salad in my local Lidal albeit your limited how much your allowed to buy ............just sayin
     
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  17. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    My ration book arrived in the post this morning :thumbsup:
     
  18. I’ve heard Baza has a batch of knock off Green Shield Stamps if anyone is interested.
     
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  19. Mr Apollo

    Mr Apollo Supporter

    Yes, it is a bit like 80s USSR here, in as much as I'm only a few meters from a nuclear bomb shelter. But we do have plenty of fruit and veg in the shops. This is mainly because we pay the farmers/growers a proper amount for their produce, so they can cover their costs, and have a little left over profit. Supermarket price 'wars' in the UK have just ground the farmers/growers into the 'ground'. I read about some apple growers in Kent who were ripping up their orchards as they couldn't cover their costs. Having delt with Supermarkets in the past, when you see tomatoes, or whatever, on special offer, they've just told the grower, sorry we're paying you less for your crop as it's on special this week, tough that you're now running a loss. The whole food system is a mess, and food 'security' will become more of an issue. I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Europe filling the gap, the way the EU is pushing their organic agenda, they'll run out of food soon. Eat local and seasonal, and pay the farmer a proper price, it will lead to greater food security, and a healthier population.
     
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  20. I worry what this race to the bottom does for animal welfare and our own health. With a need to eke out every last penny from a crop just to scrape a living. The temptation for the farmer must surely be to protect his investment by using more chemicals rather than losing a percentage to pests etc.

    I’m not convinced that driving small milk farmers out of business and making it only profitable for mega herd farms is the way forward either.
     

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