Fuel shortages.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dubs, Sep 23, 2021.

  1. Looks like I'm going to be having a day off tomorrow cos the work van is empty and there's no diesel in my neck of the woods. Got some in Plymouth yesterday, but was limited to £30. Didn't find any on the way home and still none today. Used the last of it driving round Weymouth and Dorchester looking for fuel. The places that aren't closed only have petrol.
     
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  2. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    OOH tell me how you dodge NI contributions ?
     
  3. The employers contributions were being avoided, that's one of the things IR35 picks up.
     
  4. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    I can remember them being bought as stamps in a booklet ...they soon changed that .
     
  5. davidoft

    davidoft Sponsor

    but how , you pay a minimum regardless of earnings
     
  6. The employer just pays you (the contractor) a day rate/fixed sum, no NI payment is made by the employer. Whereas in a conventional PAYE scenario the employer and employee both pay NI contributions. HMRC, through IR35, is seeking to recover the lost Employer NI contributions from roles that could and in their opinion should be undertaken in-house, not contracted out.
     
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  7. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    No sympathy from me and I wonder how many actually just took that on the chin. The press will always find a few who complain in order to wind the nation up into despising each other.

    Quite right too, if you only have one customer you are an employee - that state of affairs only suited employers didn't it? When I was a LTD co we had a spread of customers, never just one although we always had a "main" customer at any one time as most businesses supplying other businesses (as opposed to supplying the public) do? I'd have been very nervous working for just one entity - they tended to be extremely stop / go and there was never any warning of either extreme. When I lost my best contract due to internal policy... they didn't even tell me - I just noticed after a few months that all I was doing was tying up loose ends though TBH that fitted the stop/go pattern. It was only when I enquired how business was going they told me - "Didn't you get the email?" Ha! Still, that was better than working for Philips while they KNEW they were going to the wall and wouldn't be paying me.
     
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  8. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    And is exactly why many shops won't employ staff for more than 15 hours/week so the staff all have to work 3 jobs to make one job and none of the employers pay NI.
     
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  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Employers NI is HIGH, something like 20% - together with employees NI, it must account for as much Gov income than PAYE. It's a hidden tax in a way - most employees are blind to it but in effect it's part of what keeps their wages low - you can call it employers NI, but we know who's really paying it.
     
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  10. Ozziedog

    Ozziedog Supporter

    I’ve got a really good idea! Let’s all buy loads of shares and get stakes in those electrical cars! Sounds good! It’s the future! It’ll help with our greenish credentials! Them electrical cars will sell like hot cakes especially if we push them with some tax breaks! Yeh let’s do it:);):)
    Bugger :mad: , they’re selling but not as fast as I told all my mates o_O
    What can we do? :confused:
    Dunno, but I’ll think of sumfink, I’ll ask some if my mates in direct sales, they know how to winkle out every last sale from every occasion :p
    I wonder what might make these electrical cars a bit more attractive to those petrol heads:cool:

    Ozziedog,,,,,,,, I GOT IT,,,I GOT IT :)
     
  11. nell#2

    nell#2 Supporter

    I was a sole trader for years working for 2 main gigs its a tax fiddle.

    I'm glad it's restrictions have come in.
     
  12. Soggz

    Soggz Supporter

    Bought £75.00 of diesel for the transit.:thumbsup:
     
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  13. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    What amount do you usually put in it .
     
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  14. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

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  15. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    It will but I’ve told you before stop calling him shirley:thumbsup:
     
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  16. Soggz

    Soggz Supporter

    Whatever it takes to fill it up. Usually do it once a fortnight and it’s usually around that price. I only work locally and cover around 2500 miles a year in it, so I’m not filling it up for the sake of it, unlike a lot of people, lately.
     
  17. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

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  18. Soggz

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  19. Read this rlswehere… is any of it incorrect?


    There is no shortage of licence holders.

    As I explained on the original article on the same topic, the problem is simply that the big fuel hauliers don't want to pay the going rate so the drivers are working for companies that do, which at the moment are either temp agencies offering up to £30/hr to drive for the supermarkets or direct with the supermarkets themselves for about 2/3 of that.

    There's no £500-1000 worth of ADR (hazardous chems) and PDP (refinery access) tickets required to haul 26 pallets of cornflakes from the supermarket distribution centre to the store. Nor will you get sh itted up to the eyeballs wrestling with mucky fuel pipes, and nor do you have to stand outside in the cold and *******ing rain watching the delivery in case of an emergency.

    Unless you live for the grandeur of telling everyone you're a fuel tanker driver, why would you choose to do that? Some of the fuel hauliers do offer good money and terms, and so you won't be surprised to hear that there are no staffing issues there and in fact have a waiting list. It's the likes of bottom-feeders Wincanton and Hoyer who can't get drivers because they undercut all the competition to win the contracts thinking that they could get drivers to work for their peanuts on offer and have now discovered the hard way that they've f-ed up.

    Hauliers here on the whole are currently having a rude awakening as they've been making bank for years off the eastern europeans who would drive for peanuts. Since IR35 (a tax change for the self-employed). Brexit and the resulting value of the pound tumbling, it's no longer worthwhile them coming here as their wages in GBP don't buy as many zlotys as they used to, so they've all gone back home and hauliers have discovered that the natives won't work a tenner an hour like they did, we want minimum £15/hr for general palletised work, or you can stick your job up your *** !

    All the hauliers are crying about it because they can no longer own a Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo and have 10 exotic foreign holidays a year if they are forced to pay the drivers the new market rates, so they've all gone screaming to the RHA (Road Haulage Assoc.) and Govt Transport Minister demanding that the east euros be allowed back so that the rates go back to peanuts like they were before.

    Everything else you read about is just fearmongering and theatre. There are plenty of drivers - just not ones who are prepared to work for the peanuts that the eastern europeans were happy to work for. But that doesn't make for good OMFGz news headlines like "MILITARY DEPLOYED ON THE STREETS", does it ?
     
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  20. @stewart kombi
    The dude who wrote that doesn't know the job well.
    Delivering supermarkets isn't always nice places to park with docks and forklift. That's also smaller shops in cities centers, half parked on the street and having to manually unload racks and pallets on bad ground.
    Tankers driving lorries isn't that bad. A few meters of pipe to connect on purpose built areas. The drivers who come to restock me usually do 3 customers a day and that's between 10 to 15 work hours a day, depending where they have to go. Big fuel statiins usually have several deliveries a day.
    That's not door to door deliveries, like I do, which is much more physical and always driving on back roads.
     
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