Formula 1 2021

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Lazy Andy, Mar 28, 2021.

  1. Lazy Andy

    Lazy Andy Supporter

    Spent much of that wishing it was highlights on C4 so the nice sunny day : red flag no racing ratio was reduced!!

    Just read the report on the BBC with some of the HYS comments… Lewis obviously wasn’t at fault according to them!

    For what it’s worth, I don’t think he was either… Max squeezed Lewis to the right at the end of the straight which will have compromised Lewis’ line through the corner. If Lewis had braked too hard or turned too hard to tighten the line then he would probably have spun himself with a full tank at that speed.

    Good drive to chase down Lec. I reckon if he nails the next race and gets the 100, then he may drive with a little less tension!
     
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  2. Agreed , it's such an easy get out statement but the first lap coming together was a 'racing incident' , both went for the gap with predictable consequences. It won't be the last time either ...

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  3. I don't think Hamilton would have made the corner on that line. Had lots of space on the inside and attacked the apex when passing others. Judges saw something I guess as they have more info.
     
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  4. Isn’t this what entertaining F1 is all about? I do think Hamilton was a little hot headed and it was always going to end in tears for him or Vstpn. But it was a racing incident and the 10 second penalty was fair in my opinion.
     
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  5. Yep , he threw it up the inside and was running wide but in fairness had passed the front of 'shhtappens car and max cut back into Hamilton - Fitty Fitty...

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  6. Norris

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    Ah, but it did give me time to nip back out into the garage to torque down my second head properly. I'd just nipped it up to squish the Curil T and dashed inside to watch the start on C4+1

    Racing incident afaik. Max gives absolutely no quarter. The overhead shot showed him turning quite briskly into the corner, and the onboard replay only showed it after Lewis had hit the brakes a tad earlier.

    If the drivers are not allowed to race you may as well call it quits after qualifying. Beyond the first couple of laps it turns into a parade until the pit stops. Apart from Lewis catching and overtaking Charles of course.

    I'm not sure why Christian Horner got quite so much air time. He was talking balderdash during qualifying, about Lewis getting a tow, and the sour grapes seemed to continue all weekend
     
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  7. 77 Westy

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    I hope you didn’t mean it was okay for Lewis to push Max into the barrier to avoid spinning himself.

    Judging by how much steering lock he had on Lewis couldn’t turn, the car was understeering, he braked too late and went too deep and missed the apex by a mile. A few years ago Max would have been seriously injured, or worse, but he will have learnt what Lewis is prepared to do in desperation to get passed. A ten second penalty was a bit pointless but Lewis had a good drive to get the win.

    Hopefully C4 will only have highlights for the future ‘races’, that’s an afternoon I won’t get back.
     
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  8. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Mind games, it's all games. :)
     
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  9. Lazy Andy

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    No, absolutely not… I think both were racing aggressively and very hard. With a tiny bit more awareness (in a split second at 190mph) Max may have realised he had been involved in the compromised line Lewis took into Copse and could / should have given a little more space.

    Lewis could have lifted, tightened his line… but I think he may have lost it too.

    Fifty fifty
     
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  10. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    It's what it is but lets not forget they both knew Max's car was set up for corners and Lewis's for straight line speed. So Lewis trying overtake on the inside in a comparatively understeering car was pretty rash and Max showing him to the inside assuming he wouldn't try something technically impossible was fair enough.

    It was a game of late braking chicken in that sense which Lewis won by braking too late to take the corner. 10 seconds seemed fair enough to me.

    All in all I was quite entertained. :thumbsup:

    One thing Silverstone coverage got across really well was just how flippin fast they race.
     
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  11. Razzyh

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    He did that same overtake a few times using that line and every other driver didn’t turn in like mad max did. Racing incident as far as I’m concerned.
     
  12. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    You have to respect them playing chicken at that speed but I'm surprised that he hasn't suffered some sort of internal injuries stopping like that from that speed. Maybe he has, I hope not.

    I went with a friend to hospital after her boy racer brother smashed himself up. His head was twice the size it should have been. She hoped he might learn his lesson and calm down. Two weeks later he was behind the wheel of his latest turbo nutter car having learned that he was indestructible.
     
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  13. 2021-07-19 (4).png 2021-07-19 (5).png Hamilton was a good car width to the left trying to get on the inside of Max than Leclerc
     

  14. There is usually a 7 minute highlight show on youtube...:p
     
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  15. Chrisd

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    Thanks for these shots. Looking closely and at the screenshot I took of you photo, if this is prior to the contact, it looks like H is pointing at the corner and V is cutting across H.

    As the manager of Mercedes said, the rule is if a car is 50% abreast then you have to give way. Split seconds at the speeds their going make all of this very difficult to judge.
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  16. Norris

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    But if both cars are aiming for the apex they will be pointing in slightly different directions, and their trajectories will (and did) converge

    ... just to play devils advocate :D
     
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  17. Chrisd

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    Agreed, but if the rule does say that you have to give way if 50% abreast, then I think V got that wrong...looking at the photo..... the devil just hired a new advocate. :p
     
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  18. But then again ...

    If you watch a slo-mo replay Hamilton nip inside shhtappen on the approach but is too fast to make the apex and runs slightly wide , shhtappen is committed to his line and unwilling to back out of it - rest being history...
    We can all be armchair pundits and call the shots in slow motion but they were doing what they do at 170 mph , can't be easy .

    Glad he's ok , the car was destroyed.

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  19. Lazy Andy

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    The car was toast... lets hope that the next chassis doesn't perform quite as well as the current one has been!

    Also... the gear box and possibly the engine may have suffered, which could mean a penalty or at least some below max (pardon the pun) performance levels at some of the latter races. Could play into Lewis' hands in the closing rounds.

    Sorry, very Lewis biased support!

    Probably worth condemning the abuse Hamilton has had on social media too. His ability to race / not race has nowt to do with his heritage. Silly* internet trolls

    * applied self-filter
     
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  20. Having had a couple of days to recover from the comparative excitement of Sunday's GP and had time to reflect on Hamilton's brilliant win - I can say that I haven't changed my mind. Verstappen has learned a painful lesson .
    He has spent the last 4 years establishing his reputation as a no holds barred racer - taking no prisoners so that most drivers are wary of trying to overtake him. Hamilton has backed off a couple of times this year already , preferring to take second place rather than risk being taken out .
    My guess is that last weekend was a turning point - Hamilton was 32 points behind and had deferred to Verstappen in the sprint and enough was enough -so it was go for it at every opportunity and Verstappen certainly tried to bully Hamilton in the first few corners. Hamilton's overtake manoeuvre that resulted in contact and the crash was similar to many that Verstappen had done in past races - but this time his intimidating aggressive style went against him. He knew Hamilton was alongside and he gambled that Hamilton would chicken out and pull back (a 50/50 racing incident?) - he lost the gamble (luckily the resulting impact was not fatal) and hopefully he might think twice next time - and there will be another similar incident in the near future - game on.
     
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