Engine refresh

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Adrian1975, Feb 21, 2022.

  1. 0.08mm. Bit tight, but sounds good.
     
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  2. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    It would pay you to rig up a mechanical oil pressure gauge to check that you really do have low oil pressure because if the gauge is the fault and the pressure is actually ok, you may only have rings and the spark plug to sort out.
     
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  3. Adrian1975

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    Ok thanks, I will see if I can borrow a reliable gauge, same process as today 1/2 hour driving to get it up to temp
     
  4. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    You'd find something out cold as you have those numbers and it's only the gauge you're checking - I rigged up a heath robinson T to check mine so I could have them both operating at the same time. It was a right bodge - mine's a type-4 and the sender is on the end of a brake pipe to start with, so this lot was on the end of that! Local air hose place for the win, they thought it was so funny he only charged me £2. They like a challenge. :)
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  5. Nothing wrong with a 0-5bar eBay gauge bodged onto the end of a brake pipe ;)
     
  6. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    You spotted my cheapo gauge I see! Pretty much what I had but I wanted to see them both working together.
     
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  7. I’ve got similar, but just bodged onto a brake flexi. The perfect mechanical gauge!
     
  8. Adrian1975

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    I know you were worried and found it hard to sleep, so I thought I would update my readings

    Cold
    10psi@1000 rpm
    40psi@2500 rpm

    Hot
    10psi@800 rpm
    Hits 40psi drops to 30psi if held @ 2500 rpm

    I hope this is getting better


    Should the oil pressure increase all the time e.g higher at 3000 rpm, higher again at 4000rpm ECT

    Or does it plateau

    Thanks
     
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  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Well, that's more like it. Is that the same pressure gauge and if so, why have the reading improved? Whatever - if you think those are reasonably accurate I'd be happy with that. The hot idle is a big improvement and so is the hot 2500 rpm. Both in my view have gone from ooer to :thumbsup: I would up the idle speed to stock 850 rpm or even 900 rpm.
    Yes it would plateau but not before it reached approx 40psi. Whether it got there through high revs or tighter bearing wouldn't effect the pressure it plateaued at.
     
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  10. Those readings don’t sound bad at all, assuming they’re reasonably accurate. So…some more good news.

    Oil pressure goes up and down with rpm, but at cruising revs should stay pretty constant. The pressure relief valve should limit it to about 3bar/42psi.

    If you’re having a refresh, could change the oil pump rather than trying to clean it up. For about £20, Shadek do a reasonable stock pump replacement.
     
  11. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    Yes new gauge, I managed to " borrow" a gauge from work last night, (we call it "relocating an asset to an alternate location"

    So what do you think,
    Engine out Top new b&p, lap valves general check over

    Is there anything I should defo change , so I can order the parts

    Cheers

    I'm gonna by a lottery ticket aswell
     
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  12. Zed beat me to it…
     
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  13. Adrian1975

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    You posted as i was asking, top man

    Got the lottery numbers?
     
  14. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    Sorry to ask but what oil grade are you using. And please don’t say SAE 30.
     
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  15. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    For the sake of a few quid you might replace the big end bearing shells which can be done without splitting the case. Personally I would do that as a matter of course because the last thing you want is your new top end increased power to pound out some old big end bearings plus the shells are cheap and the it only takes an hour or so.

    You could replace the pump, but to do that you must loosen the case bolts around it with the possibility of introducing leaks. On the other hand you can remove it's top and inspect it very easily then make a decision.
     
  16. Adrian1975

    Adrian1975 Supporter

    I don't want to answer, as I can feel my world about to topple,

    For this test I was using 15w40 mineral, with a mix of sae30, it had sae 30 in it but it leaks so as I was taking the engine out anyway I chucked the 15w40 in to put the oil level right for these tests
     
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  17. Adrian1975

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    That's great Where is the best place / make to purchase I also can't find the shadek pump that @snotty mentioned
     
  18. Give your heads a good look over if you’re going to reuse them. I’d replace the helicoil with a solid insert - helicoils always seem to glue themselves to the plug. If you’re keen, change the exhaust valves.

    As others have said, if you’re doing the top end, might want to change the big end bearing shells. Theoretically possible without splitting the case.

    That’s it. Check your ring gaps on the new pistons, measure your deck height when the barrels are in. Might need to shim them up.
     
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  19. Think I got one from Machine 7. I’ll have a check.
     
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  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Look at the pump first. You can't order the shells until you take one out to see what size they are.
    Not just theoretical, I've done it a few times, it's quite difficult to loose anything inside the case as the cam is in the way.
    Exhaust valves as snotty suggests - again inspect them first, if the end of the stems look dished, replace them. If they look like new, obviously there's no point.

    Inspect, inspect, inspect!
     
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