Covid vaccine certificate/ passport

Its interesting that reportedly, there were very few flu cases this winter although a proportion of people had the flu vaccine as in most years, but this year has been about lockdown, isolation and social distancing which presumably was the major factor in the very low numbers.

Round where I live there are lots of oldies like me living alone and sticking to the lockdown rules, but we have the jab and really our chances of catching covid are very low anyway. But the younger folks who are out there working and mixing don't get the jab for a long while yet. They are the group most likely to be catching and spreading and from what I have seen they don't seem too bothered about the rules.

Re the vaccine passport idea, to me its just another idea put forward which would be hard to enforce, be open to abuse and just cause a load more trouble.

 

The passport will be international. If the countries in the West do not agree, we will probably have to apply for a Chinese compatible vaccination passport to travel to any countries where the Chinese "Belt and Road" initiative has been funding development. The world may just have got a lot smaller for people with a British passport if we dont have a proper international vaccination certificate.

 

Can't see that as a compelling argument, I think I would rather eat M@rmite than go cruising with Saga

 

Unless it's Sage off "The Bridge" of course.

 

Saga cruise? Shyeah, as if I’m old enough to go on one of them ....



Oh, hold on.....

 

So what next Mike do we withdraw NHS services for fatties, smokers and drunks? After all they haven't done their best to remain healthy.

 

Or they died from Covid.

 

Saga cruise?

I can smell it from here..................

 

I get your point but don’t tar everyone who’s not retired with the same brush. I go to work when I need to and am very careful. I do note though that some workers and some jobs need to be done and distancing isn’t really practical regardless of what the paperwork says. Those who need to go to work and workplace measures are an issue for transmission.

I think if you work in close proximity to others every day then that’s the norm and possibly your so used to it you don’t distance properly when your not at work.

 

Not withdrawing the services, telling them clearly that if they dont improve some aspect of their health if they can, they go further down the waiting lists until they improve. I am not suggesting that all people can improve their own health, some arent going to be able to do anything. But for a lot of people there is an option even if they think the NHS will pick up the pieces.

 

i only indicated I wasn't retired yet and made no pretence of being a youngster! As a man of advancing years i will take being younger than someone else as some sort of compliment should that arise!

 

I think maybe his point was that it might be better to do the people who are routinely out and about, at work or whatever, in preference to old gits like he and I who just sit at home on our todd! Kind of related to what I was saying badly yesterday.

 

yep... got that!

 

Personally, one of the most frustrating things over the last year has been the anti-vax/conspiracy nutjobs undermining what the vast majority of the public have been doing.
We should now say, ‘right you can’t do anything, no concerts, no shows, no shopping, no holidays, nothing without a vaccine passport’.
Or, we should use the iron boot of the state to brutally force them to have it, strapped in a chair in a clockwork orange style.
I’m half serious

 

So who judges who? What you suggest is a withdrawal of services.

 

It would be interesting to know just what percentage of the population are abstaining from the vaccine. The only people I know who have mentioned not taking it are under 30.
I think it’s because they believe they are immune from getting seriously ill from covid.
It’s difficult to change their mindset at this stage and although us older ones will be protected after the jabs the virus is not going away while ever the younger generation are harbouring & spreading it.

 

Spoke to a guy today who I have known for about 10 years. In his late fifty's and a level (so I thought) headed manager, said he would 100% not have it and likened it to thalidomide in the 60's.
Now he kind of had a point about extensive long term trials and the speed of the rollout, so I suppose only time will tell us on that one.
Not going to stop me from having it though.

 

Thalidomide was about 1963 or so and I remember it well as my mother was on it when she was pregnant with my sister. There was a step change in the drug approval processes as a result.
The speed was helped by running stages partially in parallel rather than just sequentially and starting production before the trials had finished. It still could have failed for the same reasons in which case all the time and expense would have been wasted.
Additionally the data was reviewed in near real time rather than collated and passed through a somewhat slow process. Everyone involved pulled out all the stops, they were fully aware of what was at stake but also that it would be disastrous to cut corners.