Who calls it terrorism?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Moons, Jul 30, 2024.

  1. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Previously a network of churches and mosques performed a comparable job.
    The price put on the head of a Muslim by the church also assisted in this at one time.
     
  2. Worldwide terror has advanced..
    And will continue to. :(

    Ask Taylor Swift and other worldwide organisations..
     
  3. Chrisd

    Chrisd Supporter

    My immediate feelings is you're right and it has increased, but looking back at all the terror organisations over time (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism) reminds me how little has changed.
     
  4. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    So eventually they do call it terrorism having locked up a load of people whose method was wrong but suspicions were right.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    I’m sure he’ll get his blessing in the next life as he murders little girls and produces ricin I assume for other equally defenceless prey.

    If the authorities are too blind to see the powder keg then rest assured the terrorist/not terrorists aren’t.
     
  5. Seems to have taken a heck of a long time for this to finally emerge, considering the bods at Porton Down had the substance to test within days of the incident....and pretty sure the Ladybird book of terrorism wouldn't have taken long to find either..........

    Surprised they didn't wait for one more day so the media focus on the budget could bury the bad news.......
     
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  6. Well put Moons especially noteworthy that Barry agreed with you . I live in a town with lots of silly middle classes that just do not have a clue and if you lean just even slightly to the right you are immediately labelled as a rascist . Mention Farage and the conversation stops ! My younger brother briefly rented near Plaistow and during weekends of religious festival avoided going out in the evenings as was targeted and faced abuse .
     
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  7. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Well, headlines can deceive. Howabout this confusing double speak from the article you linked to - it implies that it was not a terrorist incident.
    "The charges which have been added do not require a motive to be established.
    In order for the incident to be classed as a terrorist incident, a motive would need to be present."
     
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  8. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the laws have been written such that if chosen to not assess as terrorism all that's required is to deliberately not establish a motive.
     
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  9. Two tiered policing . Which senior serving police officers and Sadiq Khan claims does not exist !
     
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  10. matty

    matty Supporter

    I read it as the terrorism charges related to a completely separate incident where they found a terrorism manual and ricin
    at his house and that there is no evidence that the attack was terrorism motivated
     
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  11. So if he was mentally ill first then became a terrorist, he'll be able to play the mentalist card to avoid terrorism charges?
     
  12. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    The distinction between terrorism charges and a terrorism incident. Incident requires motivation to be proved, the charges don't. Think that's the subtlety I was missing..
     
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  13. Do you think 70 or maybe 80 years in custody will do anything to him or will he just write about what he believes in and still be a threat
    or be able to influence others from whatever institution,
    I suppose he will have a better standard of life and get more support than a homeless ex serviceman struggling with an addiction :thinking:
     
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  14. Moons

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    So in practice the incident was happenstance….he happened to catch an Uber to a community centre that happened to be hosting kids dancing…..

    It’s funny how they never seem to randomly pop down to the local rugby club or barracks.

    Coincidence then that the motivation and outcome of incident can’t be linked but seem to involve children.
     
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  15. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    The far right are part of the problem not the solution for me.

    I lived and worked in places like Wolverhampton, Birmingham, Coventry for around 25 years. My ex missus is black….we only ever had one incident of racism and that was very quickly sorted…past that I’ve never felt any threat from racism.

    I’ve felt compelled to apologise for some of the far rights actions towards perfectly innocent people though.
     
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  16. The far right are definitely not the solution but the sooner things are not addressed fairly then people will lean more to the right and the far left will gain more traction .
     
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  17. Chrisd

    Chrisd Supporter

    I don't see a problem with the time it takes to get things right. It always looks easier for the outside, but the investigation has to gather enough solid evidence to stand up in court, rather than the court of public opinion. The trouble seems to be that the later seems to be what matters and that is a shame.
     
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  18. Chris, the timescales are important, given the number of people who were magically fast tracked through the justice system - arrested, charged, taken to court and many jailed in a matter of days.

    As a result we now have hundreds of other early released bods out in the street, some of whom have already re-offended.

    Yet other people are now on bail for years as their cases grind painfully slow through the system.

    I'm not defending the thick, ignorant behaviour of the rioters, but it's clearly two tier justice.

    Starmer, as Chief Prosecutor at the CPS, oversaw changes to sentencing lengths and charging thresholds to appease the (political) mood at the time and appears to be doing the same now he is PM.

    I think that is concerning.
     
  19. Chrisd

    Chrisd Supporter

    You make a good point about the various speeds, I'll have to ponder on that.
     

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