Can we also label the ringleaders and liars as terrosits for peddling the nonsense around the internet that muslims were behind this attack ?
We don’t need to go back that far. Tell me how many of us aren’t descendants of vikings, Norman’s, Saxons, Romans, and even Spanish in a lot of southern coastal towns. There aren’t many of us from a truly British bloodline, and that’s the thing about Britain, it’s made up of immigrants!
^ so was our family. We went from Romania to Paris when the liberation of France took place and the Eifel Tower was built. We crossed to London in 1897 when my Great Great Grandfather married a scottish lady.
I don 't think the conversation is around immigration per se. After 14 years of covert cuts to many/all underlying services the average person can't get access to GP (which fills A&E with those who can't even register for a GP, many of whom are new arrivals to the UK), has had social care for the vulnerable and elderly all but disappear (which literally blocks ambulances and hospital beds as there is no where for these people to go) and now have to pay for access to a dentist. You don't need much more than the above to build resentment, pressure. As our ruling classes isolate themselves more and more from scrutiny (and apparently, completely free of any level of accountability) - that pressure spills somewhere - its been building for years. Thanks to years of cutting spending on the police and the justice system as a whole - its already overrun. For the ruling classes and bluntly, the middle classes who live in leafy villages or expensive parts of London, they don't care - they don't live in towns and cities where displaced people have literally been dumped, where the government or local councils buy up bed spaces in cheap hotels and pack these poor sods in and give them a mobile phone. Its beyond miserable for all concerned would be my observation. The mistake being made is the press, the middle classes and ruling classes assuming that the vast majority these people, whatever their background should simply jolly along - one party living next door to a hotel designed for 80 guests currently housing 200 young men who literally have nothing to do, the other party sold the dream of the west stuck often without hope or any support at all. As per my first post - it feels like a tinder box that needs leadership and a plan for all that gives hope - not simple labeling and cheap words. If we don't get that, expect further radicalisation on both sides of the fence and no police force to diffuse it.
My wife was an immigrant technically as she has Italian parents and six siblings all born in Naples she was the only one born in England a few months after they came here, so that makes my lads half Italian and from an immigrant background, they are good lads, ones a lecturer and the other is studying medicine. Both play cricket ( barely heard of in Italy ) and last week we all went to watch the England test side beat the w’indies in the ashes. It’s not the background that determines who you are it’s what you make of your life. I’m surprised you didn’t foresee the immigration conversation coming when you began this thread moons! As spoken about in a previous thread on politics, all this upheaval in society was predictable given the recent governments blame/ deflection culture and with Farage in the mix, yes it’s a tinderpot but it’s being stoked and not managed. Those behind it masquerading as respectable politicians and journalists should be jailed imo!
Huh ..is that all , we go back to when folks remembered tribes coming from Den Haag walking over land to Aldeburgh before the sea poured in ..no need for boats then .
Terror... Hmm.. Don't believe that the Islamic state/ daesh is defeated, they've been trying for a one religion world for centuries.. And will be.. as long as religion is in existence..
But.. The powers that be.. Now.. have the Internet to recruit foot soldiers to carry out atrocities..
