When are you due to get the Vaccine?

Wasn't a switch in emphasis as such as uk trial continued in parallel, but yes there was a concern if the level of infection in uk dropped too low then it would not represent a good test of the vaccine. I expect they were in any case planning overseas testing. At the time Brazil was overrun with infection so a good candidate for another trial group. the choice of another location is also driven by the ability to deliver and monitor effectively which isn't possible everywhere in the world.

You're right there was an article on bbc i think, some months back where some folks were offering to get exposed to covid after having received a trial vaccine. The oxford boffins had already said though they would not be conducting trials in that way so just something cooked up by the media to fill column inches rather than anything to do with real vaccine development.

 

Let's be honest, pharmacists are ideally placed to provide input, so is this likely to be down to cost.....?

 

I’ve worked many many places, you occasionally meet people that are different gravy intelligence wise, the sort that take you back to the headmaster office on day one at school (or everyday for being naughty if you are @Barry Haynes) and make you feel five again in terms of what they know and what you know.

I worked with a data scientist at a fin tech back in 2007 that was one of those people.

His education was micro biology.

I assumed he worked where he worked for an easier life, or a bit of a laugh....nothing he was running, and they were fundamental bits of work, remotely taxed his grey matter.

 

I suspect it’s the logistics, eventually I imagine they’ll bring them in as we will have to run this on a day to day basis at a far smaller scale eventually.

It’ll be interesting to see how they track people’s data for this, I suspect this will trigger moves to a national identity card....in fact I can’t see how it won’t.


The ‘little island’ guys will love that, as it would clear out illegals in theory, but given how hard I think it would be to implement accurately, they’ll probably do an amnesty of some sort,

 

I think it is down to more than that. Pharmacies can’t identify relevant patients and there are over 11,000 of them around. Using them would mean that the surgery, or whoever is co-ordinating a local service, would have a new layer of administration. Plus, the vaccine would need to be delivered to these extra sites. I think greater efficiency would be to use surgeries and other centers for now, unless they can’t cope with the volume, and that depends on how much vaccine is available.

 

This thread aged well.

Nadim Zihawi - vaccines minister - sacked for tax affairs (notable behaviours including his wife and sons setting up 'property' company, then 2 weeks later changing its description of business to medical supplies just as the government put in place the ministerial fastrack service which is how Michelle Moyne got £35m despite making underwear, and a website company got £115m for supplying PPE - that list is pretty endless).

Matt Hancock - heath minister - too much to list, but you get the gist - primary fall guy.

Rishi Sunack - chancellor, whose highlights include the Eat Out to Help Out scheme where taxpayer money apparently supported the likes of Wetherspoons to trigger surges in infections where the scheme was most taken up. He also blocked SAGE advice on a second circuit breaker for weeks which might have at least lessened the second wave - he said this in an interview in August 2022 - “We shouldn’t have empowered the scientists in the way we did,” adding, “If you empower all these independent people, you’re screwed.” Weird statement for a man whose wife is worth £400m as part of her father owning an independent business with UK government empowered to the tune of £192m starting in 2015 - weirdly the year old Rishi started in Parliament. In 2019 he supported Johnson in his leadership campaign and was made Chief Secretary to the Treasury, in 2020 he was made Chancellor. The notion that he and Boris are enemies is simply false - it worth mentioning that Sunak's government launched a legal bid to block evidence being presented to the Covid lockdown parties inquiry.

Boris - the report released today that has found him to have intimidated the investigation committee, lied to parliament and lied to the committee scratches the surface of what despicable human being he really is. He resigned to escape sanctions - if he thought they'd got it wrong - why did he not stay and fight his corner. The Conservative MP's voted him in, the Conservative party endorsed him as leader.

For me, he acts with a level of privilege and contempt for the rest of us that only a man never punched in the mouth has.

Your kids, my kids, their kids will be paying this off for the rest of their lives.


I hope they get smashed to smithereens in the upcoming bi elections - but suspect that their supporters will carry on acting like beaten dogs or be manipulated by the press.

 

Think Ms Vorderman is shouting loud enough about it. Nobody seems to be wanting to sue her yet

 

Vorders has gone very activist of late hasn't she!

 

"For me, he acts with a level of privilege and contempt for the rest of us that only a man never punched in the mouth has."
That is class @Moons - it has got to be the best comment ever - not only on this thread but on this forum .

 

Bet she stands as an MP at the next general election

 

I saw something on Farcebook with her going on about The rich, giving to the richer, to make the poor, poorer.

 

Got to admit, when all is said and done, I wouldn’t want to have to try and run this hole of a country.

 

but who turned it that way?

 

best to do what? .... make his buddies richer - well he seems to have succeeded but I hope it all comes out in the wash (I won't hold my breath)

 

If you ignored the influence of your own family's self interests, those of your friends and school chums, those people who you fluffed as favours to climb the ladder, the lobbyists, the media and their paymasters, external pressures from 'special relationships' and fear of the next election.

If you could ensure that have a good 300 people+ democratically elected around you that did the same.

Then you might have a chance.

 

I stand on the shoulders of one Michael Tyson, though I changed his words a touch.

The sentiment is all mine.

I was 'lucky' enough to play rugby with a load of these braying privileged hoo haa's - nearly all of them cut from the same cloth, nearly all of them ended up in the city or in politics.