Theresa May loses televised debate shocker

The dock unions destroyed Liverpool and East London docks. By their crazy demands.
It's all the fault of Millietant and citizen smith and those dockers.

Clever people made this up, so they could more easily blame the victims.

In reality containerisation did the trick. You just don't need the Labour force.
Need your boat fixing? drive it to China, they'll do it there, with their bare fingers.

(I won't mention joining the EEC and turning our back on cheaper commonwealth sea trade)

 

The "Have's" know who is going to help them get their next £500,000.
The "Not Have's" may well be in an abusive relationship with the Conservative party.
Psychologically it can be extremely difficult for an abused partner (or electorate) to realise that the problem is not of their doing and blame the true culprit.

 

The thing is many smaller businesses take the risk and being mainly based on the personal reputation of the owner/MD have very little to sell on when they pack it all in.

 

I agree privatise it all including the wastefull NHS

Now let me out of here the mobs on its way

 

Its a shame that theres a divide between public and private sectors and how they are dealt with by government. Dont know whether i agree or disagree as i dont know the facts. But it can be a difficult decision sometimes. Ie turkeys voting for christmas!

 

Horses for courses every case is different . The nhs doesn,t need privatisation but it does need looking at when 1.5 billion is paid out in compensation

 

Here's a genuine question. I'm not trying to be a smart arse. I've heard it said many times that profitable pits were closed by Mrs t. So if they were that profitable why hasn't anyone reopened them in the last thirty years? If they were profitable then why didn't someone reopen them then, and if they were profitable then but not now, doesn't that mean they would have closed anyway, just a bit later but the out come is the same. I'm a big too young to have an understanding at the time.

 

Can't comment on all pits but those that were profitable in Notts were kept open and then sold on. They have closed now. The problem was that it was cheaper (and more reliable considering strikes) to import coal from open cast mines in Australia than use British deep mined coal. A lot of power stations changed to gas power and the demand for coal dropped (also cleaner to the environment).
Talking to miners in the 80s, they said deep mines couldn't be reopened as they flood and subsidence affects the coal strata making it even more unprofitable.

 

Ah ok. So once you shut a pit it will flood. So I'm guessing they were kept dry when in operation by 24/7 pumping.

So if it was cheaper to import coal, given that I think but I might be wrong that the coal mines were in public ownership, didn't the government have no choice but to close them? I always thought the miners were striking because the pits were closed unnecessarily, it's never occurred to me that they were losing public money.

Is it more to do with the way it was done rather than the reason then that mining communities hated Mrs t. ??

 

Here's an important election point which may sway some voters. If Jeremy Corblimey gets into power and renationalises the railways, will be see the return of the British rail sandwich?

 

OMG!
Doesn't bear thinking about does it!!!!

 

though I seem to recall that BR always denied that they had developed /sold such culinary delights. Nor were they responsible for teaspoons being on a chain in some of their establishments.

 

You are right about the 24/7 pumping keeping the pits dry.
As for the profitability of pits and which to close, can't fully answer that one. The strike was called by Scargill, saying that pits were being closed unnecessarily, and Mrs T wanted to keep the lights on and probably wanted to show that the country couldn't be held to ransome by one group of people. The pits were losing money but an argument at the time was that it would be cheaper to keep the mines open and pay the miners rather than have them on the dole. Don't know how that one worked as the miners working under ground were on a fair whack.
Talking to the Notts miners at the time as to why they didn't go on strike, they didn't like the way Scargill told them to go on strike rather than voting on a strike. History maybe different if Scargill had a vote and Notts miners came out as a lot would have done.

 

That's another thing I've learned. I thought it was a national strike. So it was only in some areas?

 

Far cheaper importing strip mined coal from places where they don't care about what it looks like or environmental issues.

Problem is if you take into account all the bennies paid in places where they used to have mines, then yes we had cheaper coal than importing it and keeping people unemployed.

(We did used to have the cheapest deep cast coal in the world. But strip mining...you don't need a pit, for a start.)

 

Nationwide but not in Notts. They disliked Scargill just as much as Yorkshire and Welsh miners disliked Mrs T. After the strike a lot of miners from Durham came to Notts to work but not from Yorks or Wales.

Out of interest, in 2000 the petrol tankers drivers went on strike and the Labour government wanted the police to break it. So much for Labour being on the side of workers rights. Politicians are hypocrites and suck up to anyone to get votes.

 

Ive got my torch but it aint flaming.....lost my damned matches again!

 

Yes!

 

he tried a few times in the early 80,s to get a balloted strike and failed , in 84 he called a strike without a ballot and a lot of his members resented that

 

hatfield colliery one of the last deep mines to shut was actually shut for several years then reopened , it finally ended up in a workers cooperative but even they couldn,t compete with other fuels and cheap imported coal ( of which there is very little coming in now) so the miners strike was just a sign of decline and ultimate death of coal mining . just another part of globalization