Shootings in Paris

Fair one.
Saying that, I wouldn't trust the plebs to invade their own canteen let alone a foreign land.

 

Why is it the same? Surely anyone who joined the services in recent years (well almost anytime in history) would have realised that if the Marmite hit the fan then they would be sent overseas.

 

The fact that it's called The Ministry Of Defence is weird isn't it.

We went into countries under a knowing lie to 'defend' who exactly?

 

I may be somewhat naïve about the underlying factors of conflict but I didn't realise there was soo little support or understanding for at least attempting to keep the wolves from the door. Its all done in your name people whether you like it or not and its that same nice bloke you say your proud of that wears the uniform that delivers the deeds your ashamed of.

 

That's easy, ye olde not-quite-saying-what-it-really-means - "British Interests".

 

MOD did this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-military-to-provide-further-measures-to-tackle-ebola

Any oil there?

 

Anyone remember Bosnia (did they find any oil there?)

 

Yes (No) ... I spent a couple of months in 1994 patrolling off the coast supporting the work of the army etc.

 

They can recruit all them @Baysearcher sacked early in the year.

 

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I don't understand your point.

All conflicts are perpetuated by two entities that nominate 'defence' as their primary motive, and obsesses over the oppositions act of attack.

The fact that our military are deployed on humanitarian grounds on occasion is not relevant.

On the one hand people want us to damn acts of aggression by people not playing by the rules, and damn their leaders for being myopic....and question it all, yet we aren't to turn introspectively on ourselves on occasion? How does this give us any moral or intellectual higher ground?

We can't understand them if we don't understand us surely?

Questioning that is not disloyalty or lacking support, it's not cowardice or being a do gooder....its recognising that pretty much all conflicts are resolved by communication and understanding...that is not achievable if you enter negotiations with the sole stance that you are cleaner than clean.

We all have our point of tolerance, that yours has been breached doesn't mean ours is incorrect...I'm sure in other circumstances it's viceversa.

The failure, well documented, at a higher level to deal with this is not damming on our military, it's a tragedy. The slaughter of innocents is nothing short of a tragedy too, the method a disgrace.


The only winners in conflicts are the people with vested interests in weapons manufacture...the sole winners. We dealt with Middle East equitably for years...then we started meddling because western corporations wanted to cut deals that weren't equitable and 'sorted' it by mostly devious means.

That that comes home to roost is expected, if not palatable.

I said months ago that ISIS were the new nazis....we've sat on our hands in the meantime.

How are there pictures of ISIS fighters driving year old US and Japanese pick up trucks? Whose supplying them with Internet access? Where's the food coming from? How are they seemingly living well in occupied areas? How are the buses running on time as it were?

There a lot of business being cut with this 'enemy' day in day out...

 

Yes, my older brother was deployed there as part of the UN Ifor force.

No, no oil.