Rusty jacking points and bent sil - MOT failure?

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Floki, Mar 10, 2016.

  1. I'm confused
     
  2. Flakey

    Flakey Supporter

    The jacking points on a bay are welded on to the outrigger, the jacking point itself is not structural, the outrigger is.
    It's possible the jacking point can be rusty but not the outrigger!
     
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  3. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    Ah right.
    No wonder most MOT testers get confused by it!
     
  4. They are only structural if you use them, to jack the van up. My car doesnt have jacking points, unlikely yours does. Mot testers are only mechanics and often hold no qualifications at all. They arent knowledgeable and many arent professional mechanics really.
     
  5. So chop em off, you will then find the outrigger is biggered too lol.
     
  6. What most of you are forgetting is its what is near the corroded jacking point, for example within 30cm of a suspension mount/ seat belt mount/ brake parts mounting and so on that would bring on a fail. A sill could have a rotten hole in it but if in the middle of the van and not within 30cm of the above, then its a pass with an advise, but if its holed at the ends then it may well be a fail. But as you all know every tester is different...
    Ex tester from 2 years ago and yes most of the local vans came my way ;)
    Ian
     
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  7. yeah, what Flakey is saying sounds right!

    I can't even fit the jack in my jacking points. If I need to jack the van up, I use something far more solid and structural - no idea what it the bit is called!
     
  8. Flakey

    Flakey Supporter

    Just nicked these off @jivedubbins thread

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    The bit with the Union Jack sticker is the chassis outrigger, the bit that looks like a jacking point is a jacking point
    They are actually separate pieces and you don't really need the jacking point bit, especially if you use a trolley jack.
     
  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    If the jacking points are rusty my tester would only fail the front left one because it's within 300 millimetres of the brake compensator.
     
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  10. just rang my friend who is a goverment mot tester , jacking points are structural , any thing that is metal on a vehicle is classed as structural, if it has signs of corrision its a failure
     
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  11. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    That don't make any sense.
    Doors are metal but certainly aren't structural?
     
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  12. davidoft

    davidoft Sponsor

    Modern car doors are part of the structural integrity in
    A crash situation, depends whether you want a pass or feel it's safe enough for a pass, jacking points can pose a danger to people changing the wheel, could collapse and fall on them so it can be failed on the basis of dangerous other items, personally I would fail sills and jacking points and outriggers as they are all welde together so in
    Reality they are a one piece construction as is the monocoque
     
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  13. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    I ain't worried, I've not got rusty jacking points!
     
  14. Fish

    Fish Administrator

    You beat me to it. The problem is in finding educated testers... They do MOT's for a reason!
     
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  15. Dont think so! Hes a bit strict.
     
  16. My petrol flap is made of metal. Is that a fail if its Rusty.
     
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  17. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    If it was just about every T4 would fail!
     
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  18. Does a rusty sheriffs badge mean it will fail?
     
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  19. I suspect it depends on where on the jacking point the corrosion is...... The further away from the sill / out rigger, the more you could grind off and there would be no argument from the tester. If the corrosion is anywhere near the sill then it's surely structural...
     
  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Sills ain't structural either. There's a pic available to the testers if they have the wit to look.
     
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