E10 fuel

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by art b, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. theBusmonkey

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    Stay indoors, grow massive eyes, loose 3 fingers from each hand and eventually end up as slime in a tube serviced by robots...mmm
     
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  2. I’m afraid that the green credentials of our leaders are nothing but fodder for their egos! Bold statements, unrealistic plans and no definitive coordinated plan which gives us any idea of what the future looks like! Likely my retirement years will be miserable.. stay at home and stroke the cat as it’s unlikely any mode of transport will be within my means. How ever you look at it electric vehicles aren’t green are they and the domain of the affluent in any case! Public transport is expensive and may be getting greener at some levels but again it’s credentials don’t stack up. Rail…. Do I even need to comment. So… victims of vanity I’m afraid. If you’ve weighed up your contribution and looked to minimise it as best you can with very little guidance from our leaders. But then again they are mostly self interested and just say the right things and support what looks populist and at the end of the day non of them are going home to a terraced house in Rochdale at the end of the day are they and can afford the luxury of glibness as they can buy their way out!

    growing food to make fuel with it when millions are starving. Clever monkeys aren’t we!
     
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  3. On 4 cycle engines it’s ok .
    On two cycle. It’ll eat up the carbs . the 2 stroke oil mixing with the gas especially with synthetic mix. On my high-performance chainsaws I never use it. I go miles out of my way not to.. It actually leaves a residue on the carburetors. Clogs them and turns the white little plastic silicone pieces to crud. Especially because it’s an air cooled and runs Much hotter than a four cycle.I’m talking about a chainsaw that’s run 4 to five hours a day. Day in and day out.. stihl Ms200t to be specific...
     
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  4. GARRICK CLARK

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    Well said.
     
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  5. theBusmonkey

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    Cracked me up...yeah right!
     
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  6. rstucke

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    This is what I know of e10 (in Australia)
    If you've changed you're Rubber hoses to e10 spec all good
    Now think about you're steel fuel tank
    ethanol is hygroscopic. End of story
    I've seen steel fuel tanks with pin holes
    Here is what happens. Half a tank of fuel, layed up for a couple of months. Humidity high, condensation in the tank over night caused by old style breather in the cap.
    Any moisture in the tank causes ethanol in the fuel to settle to the bottom with the water (it likes water more than fuel and water is heavier)
    Causes corrosion at the bottom of the steel tank
    Take a sample of your e10, ad some water, leave it for a few days. You'll see what I mean
    If you'r going to use this stuff and not use your vehicle for a while, fully fuel your tank or drain it completely. I wouldn't recommend this fuel unless you're tank is plastic (like most new vehicles)
    Cheers
     
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  7. Well ethanol is water miscible and water is heavier then fuel, which is why the water/ethanol mix goes to the bottom of the tank. However, water even without being mixed in alcohol should also go the bottom of the tank causing the same problem if your tank is unprotected.
    You can use this fact to your advantage if you want to buy cheaper fuel and strip out the alcohol.
     
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  8. what concerns me about bioethanol is its made from a variety of plants like maize, sugar cane and many others and growing vast amounts of plant material would use more and more land which is in short supply. land growing plants for biofuels is not land for edible crops to feed the world, its madness and no doubt driven by money and big corporations making vast profits. forests will be cleared to make way for the demands of bioethanol at the expense of food production.

    electricity generating plants are moving from burning coal which is cheap and plentiful to burning biomass which is wood and plants made into pellets, the demand for electricity means increased demand for biomass which means more plants and trees grown to burn rather than land for food crops. and burning biomass still produces vast amounts of co2 which go to the atmosphere as its too expensive to capture. and no doubt most of our biomass pellets are imported making us reliant on other countries.

    and burning bioethanol in cars still produces co2 although a little less than the hydrocarbon petrol it replaces.
     
  9. Indeed. Growing crops to make fuel is just plain crazy.
     
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  10. 77 Westy

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    And burning coal to generate electricity to charge a battery to power a car is crazy too.
     
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  11. Don’t expect it to make any sense. We should be building nuclear power stations left and right (like the French, in fact).
     
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  12. Interestingly the local new build old folks care village are going to use large scale air source and ground source heat pumps to supplement gas heating at the village. It will be a communal setup paid for by the rich residents in their management fees. I like the idea of it and at the moment they are doing test borings down 200 metres a bit like drilling for oil with threaded hollow steel pipes and a hefty drill bit at the bottom. They told me there would be a system of 60 separate boreholes connected to a central energy centre which would also have a bank of industrial gas boilers, which would supply heating and hot water to the residents flats and the central community centre with its heated pool, restaurants, gym. shopping, cinema and more.

    All that won't come cheap and Inspired Villages said the flats would start at 500k with annual charges of 8 to 9k per resident, so it will be a nice little earner for the finance company/developer.
     
  13. It's where most finance money is going .

    Not shopping centres but god's waiting room centres...

    they are everywhere...keeeerching...

    My brothers MIL..
    is in a home £1400 per week...

    And she eats next to nothing...
     
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  14. Retirement care villages are just another big money making scam. £500k to buy a basic flat, 9k a year management fees, 15% exit charge when a flat is sold on, management fees charged when a resident dies until the flat is sold. Its a racket and making big money for the financiers. Legal & General are a major investor in this £10 million project.
    The 146 units would be for rich residents only, its divisive and does nothing to help the many hundreds in most need.
     
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  15. HVO fuel are the next generation bio fuel, using waste rather than fresh products.
    Less CO2, carbon neutral production.
    There is a station selling HVO 60km away from me, but I plan to fill the tank of my nasty 1.9l diesel T4 before going to MOT with and see what happens on the smog test.
    https://www.biofuel-express.com/en/hvo/
     
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  16. docjohn

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    There are ways of making liquid hydrocarbon fuels from waste plastics. Part of the problem with those is control of the feedstock as any PVC present tends to wreck the process.
     
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  17. Does that mean we have to fit a Flux Capacitor and a digital clock


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  18. rstucke

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    Probably needed to expand
    The ethanol sludges' with water in the bottom of the tank much more than just a small amount of water, your pick up is there and it ends up in your carburettors
    The other thing it dose is lower the octane rating of the fuel that's left, because it's added to increase the low fuel in the mix
     
  19. Fuel turn over might help, don't fully fill if there is a stagnation risk, especially during winter lay-up.
    Cold water storage systems are sized to have enough storage capacity, whilst allowing for sufficient water turnover to avoid stagnation and over temperature.
     
  20. ***looks out kitchen window and shakes head at a van designed to run on bio-ethanol made from Brazilian sugar cane***
     
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