Bugger. I've dropped my starter bush in engine

fitting a newly refurbished starter and bush , like a fool knowing there's a chance of dropping the bush into a small gap near the flywheel so I took a cloth under with me to block the hole but in haste by the time I crawled under I forgot to plug the gap with cloth and the obvious happened ,I dropped the bush and I cannot find it so I a assuming it's gone down the small gap near the flywheel .
I was gonne bodge the job and use the old bush but I can't find that so I now assume it's separate the engine and gearbox .
For once I am glad to hear "there's only four bolts hold the engine in" but what exactly do people know I will have to undo to separate the engine and box enough to allow the bush to drop out
Type2 1600 engine manual box . Van up on axle stands no wheels on

I've tried blue tack on wire, put quartet in inch tube on the Hoover to try suck it out with no success
Advice please

 

Probably fuel hose, throttle cable, heater box cables, the four big nuts /bolts, the engine support bar bolts.
Then jack under engine slide engine back but keep it on the studs. Open up a 2cm gap between the engine and bell housing then fish round with a wire.

Same as taking engine out only not dropping it.

 

Those last 9 words were painful to read

 

Yep could take years.
Best get it out tends to be the answer.

 

Just separating the engine and transmission would be best. You could take the risk and start the engine, which would probably munch the bush up with no harm done, but getting it out is best IMO.

 

I think I will leave it a day . Everything I try to sort just goes pear shaped today . It don't seem too bad If I do as mikedjames says a couple of hours should see it conmplete .......... So that's a 10 hour job then the way things are going .

Just fettled up the quarter Windows and a coat of paint , fitted it in wrong sequence , I must have had it in and out a dozen times now I've lost the winder .

Fitted a new cv boot and snapped the only Allen key that fits

I Dare not go to the lav now case it snaps off

 

We all know those kind of days...

 

You need these for that job
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9pc-1-2-i...268779&hash=item5d56de1a73:g:1n0AAOSwqu9VDc1z

 

You do. Don't do them up with an Allen key - you need to get the right torque value.

 

If you were using an L shaped Allen key then it cant be tight enough.

A Halfords Expert half inch drive Allen key driver bit can take the 28 ft lbs..

You do not want to end up like this..

http://www.thelatebay.com/index.php?posts/240911/


Mind you this also takes special navigation skills if you happen to be taking the bus from the campsite to the Tescos in Truro to get some bacon for instance

 

To add I also got my wheels back from powder coaters and they were all different shades as they had not got equal coating. I guess they were running out of powder .
That were fine about it but it's gonna be another week off the road till there done again

 

I have a drawer in the garage that I store my bargain buys but probably won't ever use . Seeing the picture of the hex sockets I think I have some hex sockets in that drawer if not I will get some .
However I have a spare cv boot kit and they had bolts with spline thingy holes that I do have sockets for ..... but I didn't torque the bolts .... guess what my 1st job is after breakfast cause I don't want to end up like mikedJames .

Whilst under an checking what to undo I've reminded myself to check the fuel line and filter . I don't want to open up that discussion but has anyone bought a "kit" of bits hose filter clamps and it's been good quality . If so where from .?
I ask because there seems to be no ultimate conclusion as to what is the best hose to get

 

From here - http://www.vwaircooledworks.co.uk/Fuel-Hose-Kit---Full-details.html

 

GULP Almost 50 pounds. But I did ask thank you

 

Well bit of a Brucie bonus, searched my drawer full of cheap stuff Ive bought , stuff probably only good enough for a one off use most of it from lidl or such like and found some hex drive sockets by draper, the bonus being Ive also re discovered a 200 piece socket set - i forgot i even had ? It also has hex sockets in
But took a day off messing with the van and spent a day around the Bretton sculpture park , i don't know if anyone has ever been or if you agree with me but that's a day of my life i wont get back .

Pictures remind me of a sad couple of hours i had watching youtube videos of "look at my tools " kind of videos, don't do it you will only be envious , but get an understanding of the rubish stuff we have in England compared to abroad , heck their tool chests are bigger than my house

 

Ethanol resistant hose is expensive but if it lasts 25 years . . .

 

That’s less than the cost of the tank full of fuel you might lose, less than the fire extinguisher system that you might need and a lot less than the cost of a new bus. And less than the cost of tools that you didn’t know you had and will probably never use.

 

Well i got three of the four bolts out in quick succession in about 15 minutes then i spent the next 20 minutes trying to locate the 4th nut that holds it place , even got the daughter to climb into the bay if she could locate it then the penny dropped on the fool that i am , realizing the 4th bolt is one that holds the starter in anyway and i took that out a couple of weeks ago . it gets worse as i then struggled for a few minutes trying to separate things at the bell houseing end , wondering why the hell it wouldn't separate , hen i realized i hadn't removed removed the bolts in the cross member ,, i felt to be a different kind of bell , let alone bell housing . all came apart as would expect and the offending bush located safe and sound , at least it was when i located it.
i decided to install the bush before rebuilding thing just in case the same happened again and i dropped it in the housing again , it seemed to not want to go in its location so i used the wooden handle of a hammer to hold it in place and tapped it to help it go in . it moved and like a fool i thought it had slipped into place only to find it drop to the floor in 3 pieces ... tut i did laugh ... the hell i didnt
so here is the bush i measured before i broke it , it fits the starter shaft great , i measure the outside diameter as 14mm , i cant work out the imperial size - is it 22 40th = 11 20ths - god know but i don't
is that the right size, have i been supplied with the wrong one or is there a knack to fitting them I.E not to tap with a hammer shaft ?
i got the bearing from a local place that refurbishes starters, sods law ive put my old one down and cannot find it to measure it

Anyway rightly or wrongly i have built up the engine and gearbox together and i now need to locate a new bush , from one of the scene tax places rather than the chap who supplied the one i just broke
so my self inflicted comedy of errors goes on

 

Been to sculpture park years ago - sounds like its still as good
Being from Ossett is it worth getting your 6th finger removed so you can tackle jobs easier

 

i tend to agree , i am usually ok with stuff , maybe i have hit the fatigue spot we all hit now and again ,more time working on van and spending money on it rather than using and enjoying it?