Is it like 1980s USSR where you are..,,

No not rude at all. It’s widely known that remain voters are more intelligent and better informed. Every one of them based their vote on the deep study and understanding of economics and had absolutely nothing to do with whether they thought it might affect their cheapo holidays to Europe.

Furthermore leave voters, as I’m sure most would agree are simple knuckle dragging folk, easily duped by slogans and in all probability racists.

We know this because many remain voters have told us this since the vote. Therefore I’m willing to believe it must be true.

 

I was just pointing out the big red bus was stating an economic advantage to leaving.

 

I do like a runny egg

 

It’s quite amusing that Brexit voters hate being tarred with the same brush as being thick,racist, what have you, but are so happy to tar Remain voters as metropolitan elite, snobs who look down on the Brexiters as unsophisticated rabble. Double standards much?

 

I’m glad you find it amusing.

my work here is done

 

LOL Bantz

 

It's the only issue still repeatedly quoted ad nauseum by those pro EU. What am I supposed to think?

 

Did Boris or Michael ever say that? No, it was oven ready, and verily, they would come to us.

Mendacity of the highest order, from a proven bender of the truth.

 

Has anyone mentioned CamperJam yet?
Just a thought.

 

I blame Camperjam.

 

It clearly got your attention lol! It was clearly BS and quickly dissed tbh, whether anyone who believed it paid attention to the fact it was a lie or not or whether it was reported within any media that those who might have been swayed by it paid attention to we will never know. Im still patiently waiting to be enlightened on the positive benefits we've experienced so far!

 

It's the "judging by the result, the leavers must have believed this" angle that's so boring.
Yeah, not going demonstrably well is it!
On the other hand the world is an economic mess, who knows how much better things would have been had we stayed in?

 

Last time I saw Spain was in Europe and a 'bad winter' has caused problems, coupled with our own greenhouses not producing.
Some farmers were dealt a bad hand by being in the EU being forced to plough good food back into the ground and being paid not to produce. Anyone remember the mountains of stored food and 'mis- shaped' fruit.
It's easy to try and blame one thing, lots need sorting out but until you get someone interested in sorting it out we have what we are left with.

 

I’ve had this conversation with a few people who voted remain and still feel bitter about it.

I say to them. Ok you can rejoin. But there are a few conditions. Firstly if another member country has an economic meltdown through no fault of ours, ie Greece. You have to agree to bail them out to the tune of billions of pounds. This will result in less money being spent on education, health, policing reforms etc that you’ve been calling for for years. Or you will need to pay higher taxes to help them out. Or our government will need to borrow more money to help them out. Which will limit stuff the government can spend on in this country for years to come.

you also have to agree to send the EU approximately 10-13 billion pounds a year. For this contribution the EU will refuse to tell you how or where this money is spent and will not produce and audited set of accounts. Ever.

you will have to agree to unrestricted freedom of movement for EU citizens. So when you are calling up your doctors and can’t get an appointment because the amount of GPs we have hasn’t kept up with the increase in population you’ll have to accept this. Same with dentists, hospital waiting lists, council housing etc. furthermore once someone enters the EU by any means into any country. As long as they have an EU passport issued to them in any country you must agree to them coming to live here and claiming benefits. So let’s say Italy is swamped by migrants and decides it can’t possibly effectively vet/screen all these new arrivals and do background checks etc, so they issue blanket passports. You must agree that these possible criminals can live in your town. You have no right to object.

If you are a person that believes in the re-nationalisation of the railways. You must agreee to never complain that this can’t happen as EU law makes it illegal.

when the EU decides that it wants a European Army you must agree to sending your son, daughter, grandchildren etc to fight for whatever cause the EU decides they must. You must waiver all rights to them only fighting for things that you as a Uk citizen feels is worth them dying for.

you must accept that the EU has the ultimate say in what happens to you regarding the law in this country. It’s no good complaining to you MP about something because you must accept they are powerless. You hand over control of all your legal affairs and law making to a group of Judges in a court in Europe that you have no ability to vote for or shape in any way.

Do you still feel that the benefits of a trade agreement outweigh all of the conditions above? A trade agreement that in the end as we’ve seen with Northern Island the EU will have to do with us as they need the trade with us as much as we do with them. Because let’s face it. The EU has an awful lot of basket case economies that it needs to prop up and our money is as good as anyone else’s.

Remember all the scare stories. If we voted to leave every financial institution would leave within a year. Never happened. Every manufacturer would close their plants down and abandon the EU. Never happened. The day after we vote to leave there would be a run on the pound plunging the Uk in recession for a decade. Never happened. The EU would ban flights to and from the UK. Never happened. Etc etc etc.

let’s face it. Day to day for the majority of people not much actually changed.

 

a few seconds of research...

https://www.efinancialcareers.co.uk/news/finance/brexit-banks-moving-out-of-london


By the way, a lot of your points are factually inaccurate or at least not telling the full picture.

I'm going to bow out of this conversation now as, as you said, I lost and all I am am a remoaner...

 

Did we bail out Greece?

Did we have unrestricted movement of EU citizens? Did we have the right to insist on background checks for EU citizens wishing to enter the country?

Has Mick Lynch repeatedly said that under the next wave of EU rail reforms nationalisation would be illegal?

Were we a net contributor to the EU to the tune of about 10-13 billion a year after rebates?

Was the ultimate law makers in the country our elected parliament or could they only make laws within the frameworks set out under EU membership?

Was the final recourse in law in this country our sovereign courts or could matters be referred and over ruled by the European Court of Human Rights?

Have numerous European leaders expressed their support for a European Army? Have German and Holland already merged elements of their military?

So please tell me which of these points are factually inaccurate? Like I said. You may feel these points are worth conceding to rejoin and have a free trade agreement. In this free country I welcome your right to hold those views even though I disagree with them. I personally feel that our sovereignty, security and right to self governance are more important than trade, which at the end of the day is just money.

But if you listen to the remain argument it very much centres around Brexit is Bad. Rejoining is good. My point is it’s absolutely not as clear cut as that. I believe that rejoining would come at an unacceptable financial and social cost to this country and in time will fundamentally change this country not for the better for our children and our children’s children.

 

You are in a world of your own aren’t you rusty ?
You won
You conquered
You have nothing to loose
It’s only us little stupid one’s who lost
I don’t know why you don’t just be happy for yourselves
After all we the remainers are all stupid
You shouldn’t even care what we think
But you still keep on ranting on about how much better off we are Nipper

 

I don’t recall ever calling anyone stupid because of how they voted. I’ve been called stupid myself for voting brexit on many occasions, a few times on here as well, by people who voted the other way. I’ve been called worse than that as well, Racist etc, by people that have never met me, which is kinda funny as I’m the product of post war Italian/Irish immigration. But as far as I can recall. I’ve never returned the insults.

I tend to only pipe up when the same people trot out the same ooooh this is all down to Brexit nonsense about literally every subject.

Rather than the kind of post you’ve just made. Why don’t you counter the points I’ve made above with a coherent argument? Adult debate is healthy.

 

For a winner, you sound somewhat unresolved..?


Please don't defend it, I agree with we you, collectively we voted for it, now can you make it work, please?

 

You best tell Mick he's talking cobblers:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ngle-market-restrictions-labour-a8968691.html

We were a net contributor because we are a wealthy country, its what you do to help out the fledging economies of the newcomers. Economic migrants come here because of our quality of live and, by comparison, fantastic opportunities.

'We' didnt bail out Greece, the EU collective did.

Ask the impoverished parts of the UK that no longer get inward EU grants and now have to compete for a slice of the measly government 'levelling up' fund.

You list all the negatives of rejoining yet can't list any tangible benefits of leaving as yet.

You need to spend less time at the trade counter of Plumb Centre surrounded by similar minded white van'ers.