Worried about Camping this Year

That's a titanic comment!

 

The ice climbing debate is a tough call but although not technically the law they WERE taking the pi$$ in my `umble opinion and should have been nicked - group mixing , travelling from your local area etc etc **
The whole golf thing is all part of the `staying at home` - 99.9 of golf-ists HAVE to drive as most of the courses are members only and the old duffers run out of trolley battery just trying to drag their golf bats from their houses to the 1st tee ...

** As a slight `aside` to the main debate , i heard over the weekend of a mate from Leeds ticketed for walking his dog twice in the same day . out on his own - caught by a knobber PCSO sat in an unmarked car taking reg numbers in the local park . Ok , fair cop , he was out but the dog is 16 years old and can`t walk very far anyway so he was taking the car a mile to the only grass for a hobble around .

Now , he`s ticketed and has to pay the fine or can appeal ...
Point being - that stinks to me of guilty until proven innocent

 

I'm afraid in some instances the police have been taking the *******, in effect the low hanging fruit, bit like going round catching people 1 mph over the speed limit.
Is he able to prove it was the same driver on both occasions? The operative words in the guidance is should be limited to once a day. Doesn't say that is a definitive restriction, I reckon I'd be giving this a serious looking at before paying anything.

 

try googling the legal difference between shall and should ... this one may be a starting point.
http://asq.org/standards-shall-should

 

I believe the Statutory instrument states “must” in respect of the stay at home order. This is an absolute duty! Exemptions can be claimed by way of a “ reasonable excuse” however the claim may not be accepted by enforcing officer meaning that a fine may be imposed because the initial offence was not to stay at home and the burden of proof is on the individual to state their case by way of appeal. So we’re all effectively guilty if we are outside.

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I think! Happy to be put right on this.

 

On average, it looks like enough people are modifying their behaviour enough to cause infection rates to drop.

However a statistical distribution by definition extends from selfish hill walking idiots through to people sheltering in their houses, who leave delivered items for days before touching them. On average we are doing enough.

The aim of the game is to keep the load on the infrastructure low enough that we dont have to let large numbers of people die at the entrance of the hospital after a quick triage assessment.

 

He`s not going to pay the fine , or have his day in court .

As i said , the main point of our chat was the fact he`s presumed guilty until he contests the case to prove he`s innocent which as far as i`m aware goes against the basic principle of English law of innocent until proven guilty .

I`m not getting into the rights or wrongs of various scenarios or particular wording . I`d like to think the majority of people are trying their best to `do the right thing` but at the same time questioning why estate agents are still open , therefore classed as `essential` ??

I`m just getting a bit tired of all the hypocracy to be honest ..

 

See my point above. The law is an arse and he's guilty as he was not at home. His "reasonable excuse" for being so wasn't accepted. That's what he needs to contest.

 

Happy, oh boy know there's a word that doesn't come often

 

Do you have a link to the Statutory Instrument ... google isn't much help as throws up a multitude of possibilities ... I suspect the public is relying more on the government provided guidance document which in relation to exercise doesn't use the word must.

 

What you have to remember in all this bending the rules to selfishly suit your needs is that lots of people are dying/died from this.

50.000 more civilian people have died from covid in less than a year. than in the whole of the Second World War

 

No. Just watching the article on the news about the mountain rescue chap. Not a great outcome.

 

Dreadful outcome.

 

The newspapers have just caught up with the story, bloody terrible. Good to see some public support for the mountain rescue guy, I made a small donation.

 

where did you donate?

 

Geordie's in need!

 

@Dicky Here:
https://www.justgiving.com/campaign/Chris-Lewis-Support-Fund-LDSAMRA-Patterdale-MRT

 

Very sad they should have left them up there the idiots.

 

Anyway no one abides by the rules. So why should I.