Would you like a second referendum

To be honest It didn’t look very promising when I arrived at the lake so to get one of the new stockies was a real bonus, I was very chuffed

 

I’d go further. I believe this is a pivotal point in Uk history. A few hundred MPs believe that their opinions and their needs count for more than the 17million voters opinion given at the ballot box. If brexit is stopped by those MPs then that’s nothing short of treason, it’s a coup. It’s a seizure of power from the people to the so called elite.

My opinion then is that the will of the people from a democratic vote must prevail and the people will need to remove these insurgents by any means necessary.

 

Having a referendum is a fairly recent thing and the first British referendum was held in 1975, also to do with the EU or EEC as it was known then. At that time it was about joining the EEC and the country and political parties were split and unsure about it then.

This latest referendum on leaving the EU was similarly divided and won on a small margin. Clearly as a nation we still have mixed feelings about the EU some 43 years later.

The EU had an opportunity with Cameron to make changes which would have kept us in the EU but on new terms. The opportunity was thrown away and put our government in a difficult position where we were not happy with the EU rules imposed on us and we could not change them, so the only way was to divorce.

Hence the referendum, this time to leave what we joined back in 1975.

 

I remember back in the 1970's, we were a struggling young family surrounded by doom and gloom with industrial unrest, strikes, violence, power cuts, fuel shortages, 3 day working week, high inflation, high interest rates and more, there seemed to be no way out of the pain. Joining the EEC seemed a positive and hopeful step. But we couldn't wait for the promised good times and as a family we moved to New Zealand in the hope of a better life, which it was for a time, until the effects of the EEC began to bite.

Britain was now tied in to Europe and we were paying big money to support French farmers and German industry. We were buying European produce which we were subsidising and turned our backs on our allies New Zealand and Australia for their lamb, cheese and butter and more which impacted their economies badly.

British industry went into decline as we moved to a so called 'services' economy. Our farmers could not produce food in competition with European subsidies so our farmers and countryside changed drastically. The subsidies produced gluts of food and wine lakes which had to be thrown away, but the French farmers still got their money.

The French farmers have now become a force to be reckoned with and won't give up their subsidies without a fight.

All of the concerns raised back in 1975 have come about and now we are stuck in this mess trying to get out.

 

With a general election you get another chance every few years to continue the dialogue,and change back if the vote says so.

Brexit is different. One vote and you are out or at the back of the queue to get back in a generation later.

I have already lost one job because of Brexit.. because of uncertainty over Brexit the job moved to Europe.

I do not believe the EU is perfect but at heart it is a democracy. Inside it we can vote to change.
Out of the EU we will only able to obey the rules that will be enforced by the EU which we will have no right to change , if we want to trade with it or work with it.
So go for Remain but be awkward customers within the union.

 

Do you really believe that. Look what happened when Cameron asked for some change.

 

Inside it we can vote to change?

No we can't, that's the problem we have with the EU.

The EU is dominated by the Germans and they won't agree with anything we say. They want to be the big boys and control the other member states.

They are playing games with us and now suggesting they are open to more talks.

 

The problem with the EU is that fundamentally it isn’t a democracy. When was the last time you were given a vote on whether you like Donald tusk or junkers? You haven’t been, you won’t be, because it’s a club of self serving unelected and non removable bureaucrats. They exist to protect their own jobs and those of their paymasters.

Look at the shambles of the EU accounts. They literally can’t tell you where they are spending your money. Try that with HMRC and see if you get away with it. They can cos they are above the law. Cos they set the laws. Not your elected government which you can rightly vote to change.

 

So we have decided that we don't want a second referendum ,

Thank you for your votes ,I thought it might be a good idea just to see how the lay of the land was .

 

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I haven’t voted

 

I think @jivedubbin locked it. He was the op.