Energy Bill for December

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Little Nellie, Jan 9, 2023.

  1. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    Think its a fungal attack ..so don't know if it spreads once the tree is dead . Unlike the dutch elm disease which was a grub beetle whatever it was .
    The transporting of the dead elms by road to mills and other sources spread it even more as they were blown all over the place .
    There is tons of ash trunks lying all over Dove Dale stacked on top of each other where they have felled them on safety issues .
     
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  2. Depends how far back you want to go really, Austria/Hungarian influence for starters.
    The whole region has been fluid for centuries, Germany only became Germany 150 years ago......
     
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  3. Our 2022 gas and electric usage was lower than 2021 by 35% and 32% respectively.
    The overall cost was roughly the same as 2021 due to the increased prices. However, we were quids in once the £150 council tax and £200 EBSS rebates are taken into account. Thanks to global warming, our current 2023 gas usage is even lower.

    What this has made me realise is how much energy we have been wasting all these years.
     
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  4. Pretty much a problem worldwide :(
     
  5. Moons

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    It's deffo a fungal attack - it leaves a black mark at the center of the trunk and starves the tree to death.

    Where the issues start is dead trees standing and then failing over a number years and new growth coming from trees that have been pruned back - Ash is tenacious, so 'dead' tress often see new growth that is unstable but can be significant.


    The ticking time bomb is how much ash is in the hedgerows alongside roads and footpaths - as it spreads easily and grows well, a lot of the standing dead tress are along busy roads - I avoid going out in high winds where I can due to this.
     
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  6. Faust

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    An interesting article i read years back topic being Dutch elm disease . It was mentioned that they did bore tests in forests where elm trees have been for years .
    It was noted that pollen layers appeared and then disappeared ...suggesting that it is a cycle .
    As in the beetle seems not to attack young saplings as much as fully mature elms , so basically they kill there habitat leaving the younger ones to survive and the whole process starts all over again .

    I must say i have noted some young elms ranging from 20 to 30 feet in places around in Derbyshire ...time will tell if there theory is correct ...i hope so .
    Ash trees in Derbyshire i would say represent nearly 60% of the trees ...particularly in the high Peak .
     
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  7. mikedjames

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    They were showing off a group of young elm trees at the Netherlands Floriade (massive flower show) in 2018 that were immune to Dutch Elm disease. So elm trees may reappear.
     
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  8. Moons

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    A parasite can't afford to kill all its hosts.

    I had 18 Ash cut down along the roadside on my property a couple of years ago - all of them had the tell tale black mark in the trunks, some had progressed up the limbs.
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  9. Revolution bike park in wales had to close recently due to sickness in the trees & they’ve all got to be felled before they can start over. It will take years to recover, if ever. Traced it back to some non-native trees which were shipped over for the olympics campus in London apparently.
     
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  10. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    Yes ..that is correct , seem to remember some elm trees were injected back in the late 70's which made them resilient but was costly .
     
  11. Moons

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    Didn't know that - Larch tress apparently.
     
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