Brexit Deal

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pony, Oct 17, 2019.

  1. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    So long as people like yourself believe that then it’s a sad future!
     
  2. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    I also feel you’re just trying to wind me up, so it’s adios from me Doug. I will just go back to modding any bad language. My opinions shall remain mine and you will be deprived of my infinite wisdom and your future enlightenment ;)
     
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  3. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    Don't go @Poptop2
    Facts are majority of labour MP s who represent constituencies that voted to leave are constantly voting against any deals , Mr Corbyn has gone from a staunch leaver to a remainer, Mrs May wanted to do a deal that meant remain by the back door and Mr Johnson has sold us down the swanny, step forward Mr Farage
     
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  4. ??!

    Corbyn has steadfastly refused to back remain from the very beginning so it would be odd to think that wooing the remain vote is part of his master plan. And plenty of Labour MPs do not trust him...

    Perhaps I am making the unfashionable mistake of trying to see the best in people. Well I don't agree with Corbyn but I'm not going to call him names.

    If I were an MP voting tomorrow, the question I would be asking myself is this:
    'If/when the next person dies in Northern Ireland, will my conscience be able to say that I did everything I could to get the border question right.'
     
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  5. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    You can honestly see a good outcome from all of this; regardless of if we stay or go?
     
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  6. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    If by "refused to back remain" you mean falling over himself to disagree with everything and anything May / Johnson have said, then maybe you're right.
    To those of us that know bug*er all about politics (and to be perfectly honest; care even less) it looks like he'll happily cut off his nose, to spite his face. Anything for the glimmer of hope of power.
     
  7. Corbyn is Mr. Negative in my view. He disagrees with everything others say. His attitude during Brexit has sunk his future chances in my opinion, he must be a constant pain in the neck in Parliament with his put downs and negativity.
     
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  8. Though your argument is moot. The full facts aren't encapsulated in a sixty odd page document and have yet to be discussed. :)
     
  9. According to the papers Comrade Corbyn said he couldn't support Johnsons deal before he had even seen the detail. What sort of man says this? I'd say an activist as opposed to a politician.

    Assuming we leave I expect to hear bleatings for the rest of my life how people who voted to leave ruined the lives of those more educated remoaners.
     
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  10. I'll be happy to oblige. ;)
     
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  11. can't wait
     
  12. Day

    Day

    A difference here in europe (well italy anyway) is that families have had property and busineses handed down to them so people are better off through having no mortgages.
    Of course not all but a lot in my experience.
    Any they mostly holiday in their own country ( cause the weather's good)
     
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  13. JamesLey

    JamesLey Sponsor

    That'd make a huge difference. We've been renting for 10 years or so. That's the best part of £100,000.
    I do spend too much on old cars though, so can only blame poor money management for not having bought anywhere yet.
     
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  14. The expense of the property market is a really massive issue in this country.
     
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  15. JamesLey

    JamesLey Sponsor

    I couldn't find a longer term graph but it illustrates it well.
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  16. Crikey. That says it all! I bought a small flat in London in the mid 90's and that's the reason we have a small family house now - it got me on the ladder before it went crazy. I feel for people starting out now. :(
     
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  17. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Supporter

    In 1984 our first house in Hemel was exactly twice our joint wages (Junior Engineer and Clerk at the Council), the same house is now valued at £375,000. Says it all really!
     
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  18. Property ownership in the UK, historically, has a very different pattern than much of Europe. I haven't studied this in detail, but I think our relatively early industrial revolution changed home ownership profiles. Many early city dwellers leaving the country for jobs and then renting in tenaments and back to backs that were owned by industrialists. This left large tracts of cheap farmland that were merged into ever larger farms. Compare this with southern Europe, where the small holdings still exist.
     
  19. Back in the late 60's got married, rented a cheap flat and saved £500 for a house deposit. In 1971 bought first house, modern semi for £4,300 when the mortgage was 3 x my salary and the government gave mortgage interest tax relief to help new buyers. As people started to earn more, house price inflation kicked off and we sold the house 2 years later for £11,500. I don't live there now, but its valued at £450,000 .

    Back then mortgage rates were about 8% climbing to 16% in the late 70's. Mortgage rates are rock bottom at the moment, but house prices are sky high and no affordable homes are being built and pay has been static for years.

    Countryside are selling new detached houses near me and prices are around £1 million each. Its gone crazy.

    Re Europe, I thought traditionally folks rented for life rather than purchased.
     
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  20. if i'm reading this right i should have bought my place in 1995 as it was free ?, however it appears i was earning nothing so probabley couldn't afford it
     
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