Electronic Ignition swapped for points

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Little Nellie, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. Little Nellie

    Little Nellie Supporter

    Rang my engine builder up, he said yes shift it correct to 8BTDC and explained that the points may have slipped.

    Plus he’d refit the Pertronix Ignitor if I wanted and he time it at 3000rmp. I think this is the wise option??? Any thoughts?

    This will be a piece of cake for me in the future
     
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  2. Dubs

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    I wouldn't let him time the engine again after all that TBH.... just walk away and do it yourself..
     
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  3. davidoft

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    Why not , can’t learn if you don’t find out how to put right what you did wrong , I’ve taught lots of people stuff and lots of people have taught me
     
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  4. davidoft

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    They run very well on points , I would run it around for a while and see how it feels , the timing is perfect :D
     
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  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    What dubs said^
    All you need to do now is aim your timing light as before, increase the revs and watch the timing mark. Keep increasing the revs until the timing marks moves no further. Check against the scale.
    Ideally it should be 28-30 for a type-4 engine. If for example it advances to 26 degrees, let it idle again, adjust your idle timing from 8 to 10 and your total advance will change from 26 to 28 which you can check with your strobe by increasing the revs as before.
     
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  6. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Because he's not learning and shouldn't be guessing/practising and charging grown up money and waving them off with their timing seriously out of whack. Why pay for him to learn and repeatedly charge you for something simple that you really should be learning and doing yourself anyway?
     
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  7. Little Nellie

    Little Nellie Supporter

    Totally agree, I’m like this with all diy do it all myself etc. The issue here is someone has built a new top end for me, so I was keen on them to do the follow-up work, so if anything goes pop, then it’s all their own work.

    So after the run-in and first oil change I was going to do engine maintenance myself. Most of the issues have been Late Bay solved anyway.
     
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  8. Begs the question if the bloke can't set the timing correctly, how good is the rest of his work?
     
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  9. davidoft

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    And what if he’s not charging to correct it ?
     
  10. I'd suggest if he didn't know how to do it the first time, he won't know the second time.
     
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  11. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    I sent my first
    The first TWO times!
     
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  12. davidoft

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    Why though , how can you “just know”first Time ?
     
  13. davidoft

    davidoft Sponsor

    3rd times a charm :)
     
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  14. Little Nellie

    Little Nellie Supporter

    Can the points ‘slip’ then? I don’t know what this means.

    If they can, and did, can it be considered that I’ve sorted the timing out at idle now.

    So what I’m getting at is, if I fancy keeping the points now, am I safe running the bay as it is now. I’d probably intend to set the timing the advanced method in next few days.

    Or is there something up with the points, slipped etc?
     
  15. Not if he'd done them up properly.
     
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  16. If you're tightening up the points yourself, don't forget to set the points gap correctly.
     
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  17. Little Nellie

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    Ok, sounds like they can slip then. So I guess gap stays the same but the points unit could have slipped relative to the distributor?

    If this is the case, I need check if points are screwed down well now?
     
  18. If the baseplate of the points isn't screwed down tightly, the points gap will change, and your sparks will go barmy.
     
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  19. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Yes points are fine. Slipped? Hmmm.
    More like he was afflicted with type-1 blindness and set it the wrong side of the scale. ;) if they'd slipped it wouldn't be possible to make it run as you have.
    At the end of the day you've learned about timing.
    Did you or he grease the shaft where the points run? I would check in the circumstances.
     
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  20. Little Nellie

    Little Nellie Supporter

    Just watched the JK points setting. Get it all now. I’ll check if that securing screw’s loose and that the shaft is greased. If lush check the 0.4mm gap

    There’s a certain charm to them. I might like these. Might keep and see if I get fed up with them
     
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