Crankshaft oil seal

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by smeato, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Mike's limited experience, he's talking about type-1 engines. Type-4 can be put in after from outside the case.
    @mikedjames it would be better if you didn't guess answers to type-4 questions, they are very different beasts.
     
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  2. smeato

    smeato Supporter

    It’s a type 1 engine
     
  3. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Oops! :oops:
    Getting mixed up between threads.
    Apologies to Mike.
     
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  4. smeato

    smeato Supporter

    :thumbsup:
     
  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    In my defence, I can't see you mentioned that anywhere and the only pic on the thread is a type-4 flywheel. :)
     
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  6. nicktuft

    nicktuft Supporter

    Been there done that....zeddars ;)
     
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  7. Supposed to put them back in order, but I doubt it matters. I've got a spare (new) set of tappet clips you can have for £5.50, if you PM me your address. Bargain ;)!

    Things to do while you're waiting:
    - post a pic of the centre main bearing shell in the half you've taken off
    - have a fondle of your tappets that fell out. Is the top slightly convex, or concave?
    - see if you can move the end bearing up by the flywheel back and forth

    You know you want to while you've got the chance ;).
     
  8. smeato

    smeato Supporter

    Yea, I’ll just set the valve clearances again when I’m done- should be fine, there’s no play in any of them and the tops of them are perfect as are the cam lobes. When you say play in the crank bearing do you mean fore and aft or side to side?

    btw I’ll take your tappet clips- I’ll send you a pm, cheers
     
  9. Fore and aft, moving in the case.
     
  10. smeato

    smeato Supporter

    Yes there’s a fair bit of play
     
  11. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    You're going to wish you'd never looked now. :(
     
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  12. smeato

    smeato Supporter

    Can of worms springs to mind
     
  13. Best to know now ;). Slap it together, and have the case machined at some future date…
     
  14. The cylindrical end bearing moves back snd forth? By how much (approx)?
     
  15. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    The only cure is complete strip down, case machined, new bearings. It would be worth your while to measure the width of you thrust bearing saddle and see if the repair is even possible as it can only be done twice before the case is junk. That's something that would be good to know in advance of either driving it happily to destruction, doing it soonish or somewhere between.
     
  16. ^this. Measure the (exact) width of the case web that supports the end bearing. Should be bang on 22/21/20mm. Lower than that, you won’t find replacement bearings after you’ve had the case machined (although there are other rather bodgy methods of fixing it).

    Or just slap it all back together again ;)
     
  17. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    Sorry, that was me, I didn’t know it was a Type 1 either. :)
     
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  18. smeato

    smeato Supporter

    Sorry, wait, I thought you were on about the crankshaft moving- I did wonder why you would measure that without the shims and flywheel fitted. I’ve just had a look at the bearing at the flywheel end-there’s probably about 0.2 - 0.3mm play of the bearing in the case.
     
  19. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    As if shouldn't move at all the case it wearing. Sadly the more it moves the faster it wears as it kind of gets a run up - think of it like swinging a hammer.
    Did you measure the saddle width/or the width of the bearing between it's flanges? You can do that near enough with a tape measure as it's going to be a whole number of mm. 22mm is good and unlikely. 20mm is bad as you can't get a 19mm one.
     
  20. smeato

    smeato Supporter

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