009 Distributer on a 1641 type 1

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by MorkC68, Sep 10, 2014.

  1. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Don't laugh as I'm a bit puzzled!

    Where is the #1 firing position on a type 1 fitted with a 1641?

    This link says it's at the 11 o'clock position whereas a type 4 is at the 5 o'clock position, as you look through from the rear of the vehicle.

    As I look through from the back, at the moment #1 is next to the fuel pump.

    http://www.hot-spark.eu/docs/Installing-SVDA-009.pdf

    We have been working on fitting the 34 Icts, jetted them up, fitted a pressure regulator tweaked the idle, air flow and other screws as per the Weber book..will it run, no not smoothly. The engine pops and backfires, we know the manifolds are nice and tight, we have checked, the filters are not blocked and fuel is flowing.

    I don't know the make of the dizzy, it's the one that comes with the Remtec 1641 SSP motors
     
  2. It's when the dissy rotor is pointing to no 1 plug lead ;)
     
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  3. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    That bit I can get my head round, we have got tdc on #1 & we know the position of the plug lead in relation to this, they are all connected in the correct firing order.

    It's that link saying 11 o'clock position that's throwing me or doesn't it matter so long as it's all in sync?
     
  4. Doesn't matter, as long as everything's physically convenient. You could tweak it by moving the plug leads round on cap.
     
  5. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    it does appear to be in the correct locations but we're gonna start from scratch tomorrow to satisfy ourselves. We have ditched the Petronix & going back to points, just to satisfy us that its not acting up. We also have a spare coil we're going to try!
     
  6. Is your timing correct? When I put a Pertronix on years ago, I managed to cock it up completely (brain wasn't working). Pretty deafening backfires were the result!
     
  7. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    We have timed it (non running) to ~7' below tdc then when we have sat it at 1000 rpm and it appears to be close by this..running it at 3500 rpm & its between 28 to 30' below tdc

    My Dad has been doing the timing whilst Ive been up front :)
     
  8. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    & yep the back firing is deafening plus lots of blue/grey smoke!
     
  9. It's a different position to a sdva dizzy I seem to remember, maybe 45degrees different?
     
  10. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    It cant be anything too technical, I hope :) perseverance n all that
     
  11. Sure is - threw me for a while .
    This may be what 11 o`clock position is about .
    009 is same position as standard dizzy if i remember , about 4 o`clock -ish ??
    Back to basics is the way forward .... :thumbsup:

    :hattip:
     
  12. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    cheers Lasty! Ill report back tomorrow :thumbsup:
     
  13. Look to ditch the 009 later as they can be cheap and get a vacuum one. The engine will run cooler and smoother when accelerating. Make sure the little copper tubes on the left lower sides of the ICTs are blocked off for now. When going to vacuum dizzy keep right plugged and use left one for the pipe.
     
  14. Are you sure the ICTs have been jetted correctly? There have been other threads on her that discuss this.
     
  15. Sorry, just re-read you original post and see that you have.
     
  16. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Thanks for the reply Skutterbob, just to confirm, we do have the vacuum connectors blocked off, both carbs.

    The jets we have gone for are

    175 needle jets
    55 idle jets
    140 mains
    170 air correctors
    F6 emulsion tubes

    Three of the above are what came with the carbs but we replaced with brand new anyway, we swapped 150 mains for 140's and another pair of jets, which I cant remember as they are with Gusbus (it may have been the idle jets) had been opened out significantly.

    We do have Peter Burgess about five miles away who can RR tune them for us, which we do plan to do, when we can get over - we don't have MOT yet, hence the need to get it sorted prior to this :)

    If we get some luck later, Ill update on what we did!
     
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  17. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Check the leads from the dissy go 1234 on the cylinders. The 1 and 2 leads cross over between dissy and plugs, 3 and 4 do not. Blew an EMPI twin rustpack up with 1 and 2 swapped over.
     
  18. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Cheers Mike, will do that on popping the dizzy back in!
     
  19. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    More twiddling done tonight & got not very further forward.

    Put a new coil on
    replaced Petronix with points, gapped them correctly and put dizzy back in the engine
    checked for tdc on #1 and ensured plug leads are connected correctly both ends
    checked fuel flow to pump and pump > carbs
    checked inlet manifolds are fitted correctly - they appear to be
    valve clearances are spot on
    timing set statically to 7'btdc
    engine still pops, bangs and backfires, idling is a little better but not smooth, timing checked and set again dynamically

    wtf is going wrong, the backfire comes up the inlet manifold & is visible down the balancer pipe.

    Are we missing something out?
     
  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    I think you have 2 HT leads swapped. ;)
     

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