Anyone know the rebuild cost of a 2ltr Type 4 Engine

The relevance is that the vast majority of type 1 engines will have seen a rebuild in that time, whereas a type 4 won't have!!

So technically a type 4 is more cost effective than a type 1!!

 

Almost every T1 case needs a align bore, where T4s almost never need it.

 

Yep, that was me. The point being you get more for your money and an engine that will haul a bus around and not spuke its oil out at the first sign of a hill

Yes but have probably been rebuilt 5 or 6 times.

Result

Rebuild. Does it need a rebuild?

Are these turnkey? How do you account for a muppet installing it and setting it up wrong to start with,do you offer full warranties?

There are a lot of volume engine builders out there with bad name do passing off cheap and dodgy Marmite.

What is VWH's value proposition?

Edit, I see it's not turnkey now...

 

I'd have thought the relevance here is that you can only rebore/rebuild engines a certain number of times before they become scrap.

T1's may have had 2/3 rebuilds already and therefore scrap where a T4 is unlikely to have had any work done previously.

 

Yep, the 1600 in the crewcab was nice. Just not up to hauling round a fat camper and overtaking things. 2nd and 3rd gear on hills too. Type 4 are a huge step up.

All of the parts are beefier and more robust. None of the type 4 I've built have spilled a drop of oil, I've never been able to stop a type 1 from leaking. I can climb long and steep hills in 4th gear with a 1700 when I'd be in 2nd on the same hills with a 1600. I can overtake easily and with confidence with a type 4 when getting past a tractor with a 1600 is a major challenge.

For those reasons I believe the extra cost of new parts is worth it for what you receive in benefits.

 

This maybe true but it's not because you like ramming it down peoples throats every other day, it's because engines move on and things get better, we all know that but since you posted this quote "Personally I prefer to drive LHD. I have both RHD and LHD buses and the LHD is a much more natural driving experience " I can't take anything you say seriously anymore

 

Our fat camper got around perfectly well with a 1600TP engine. We stayed behind the tractors, enjoyed the scenery & only went down hills. The engine held no fear for me & I understood it perfectly. Spares are available from Kalamata (shock absorbers all round) to Kenilworth. We sheared 4 woodruff keys off the dynamo driving fully laden through France once but it still got us to the ferry on time.

Now, the GE we currently run scares me to death. We've done a lot of miles on it (25,000 plus) & it's smooth, powerful and still sounds sweet but it has FI & I'm dreading the day it stops. When it does it'll be a call to either @zed or @Paul Weeding coz. I haven't got the confidence or facilities to start a rebuild. In that instance, whatever it costs it costs & I hope it's not in some place where they've never heard of a Type IV.

We use our bus (misguidedly maybe in this modern day & age) for travelling where it's not about how fast you go or how many people you can overtake, it's about the experience.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

Your argument might hold a bit more water if you hadn't binned the T1 for a Scooby

 

...and subsequently used your bus more in 6 weeks than in the previous 6 years.

A good 1600 is ok, but struggles if you're a well packed family.

 

Do I? Really? If you've ever read any of my posts about the virtues of a type 4 you will see that I give a balanced yet tongue in cheek view. Always with a smiley.

I'm not quite sure how this links to an unrelated thread which has nothing to do with engines? If you've ever driven a LHD and RHD bus back to back you'll know what I mean - due to them being designed as LHD I find them easier and more pleasant to drive as LHD, but that's just my opinion. I won't shoot anyone who disagrees...

I never asked you to so don't be sad

you'll get over it. It's an Internet forum FFS!

If you think I'm an arse don't read what i've written or go out of your way to be offended by it.

That's what the ignore button is for...

 

How do you do multiple quotes like that I can't do em I'm not sad or offended I just think you post to be awkward on purpose sometimes, I don't and would'nt ignore anyone, it's childish I've had and driven a lhd bus, like many people I did'nt know what I was doing when I first bought a bus so I cheated and bought a cali import, it was many years ago and they were rare at the time but I soon learned from my mistakes and bought a proper bus

 

Guys, guys, guys, calm down.

We aren't asking whether a Type 4 is better than a Type 1, we know the answer to that, or whether a LHD bus is better than a RHD bus to drive, we will find that out ourselves too, and certainly don't want arguments starting over it.

We just wanted to find out the cost of a rebuild, we don't know the extent of what is required at the moment, but it got hot and chucked its oil out, then had a knock on the bottom end and after being recovered home it locked up. It is now free again after turning it backwards by hand once the engine was out. Now turns freely but not feeling like it has great compression. Hence why we are asking about the cost, to be able to decided what the next move is. If we rebuilt just the top end and that got it running, how long will it be before the bottom end goes? One of those how long a piece of string is really. The trouble is its a daily vehicle and we haven't got masses of budget! However we do have a MK2 Golf GTI engine sat in the shed that we know was running well and are querying whether that would be the route to go down.

 

I've only got 3 gears to start with... I've done tad over 80 still... Certainly not up hill

 

Apart from the arc of the wiper blades, I can't think of a single reason why a LHD van is better to drive than a RHD van in the u.k. You do go on about Type 4 engines a bit by the way

 

I've just had mine rebuilt with loads of new stuff and loads of skimming and polishing and stuff like that. Cost me £2500. I did a rough estimate of the cost of bits to do it myself, incidentally my estimate of what would need replacing was a long way short of what was actually replaced, and my conservative cost for bits alone was about £1200. No labour, no machining etc so I decided that buying an exchange engine for 12 to 1500 pounds was a bit of a waste of money. No one can build a top quality engine and sell it for those prices and still make a profit so obviously the quality of the rebuild has to be very suspect. Buy cheap and buy twice possibly so I decided to keep the vans original engine and get it rebuilt properly. I've only done about 4000 miles in it since the rebuild but it is very responsive and sounds lovely.