E10 fuel

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by art b, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. I think they are correct English non American gallons.

    60litres ÷ 13 gallons is 4.6 litres approx per gallon.


    Is it a euro book or Canadian maybe!?


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  2. theBusmonkey

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    :eek: lol. Better check the settings on my abacus.
    You are bang on Mr P, God only knows what calculation I did earlier o_O
     
  3. The Bus is a US model, but the M Plate says it was collected from the factory by the new owner direct, so it has the VW Englisch manual not a VWoA version, hence the confusion :)
     
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  4. WHAT???

    Two events happening at the same time don’t always have to be linked?

    Whoa, you’ll be telling me the earth ordits the sun next you crazy kid.
     
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  5. Just had my bus back from The VW Engine Company after having a replacement engine done and this note was in the paperwork! They tell me there having loads of problems with the E10 fuel ‍♂️ image.jpg
     
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  6. If you fit Viton tipped needle valves this particular problem shouldn't occur, I would have hoped.
     
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  7. Didn’t know it was corrosive to brass. That’s a problem. I can understand their concern for the warranty of the engine if it affects the needle valves & starts leaking fuel into the oil.
     
  8. Brass…. Really! Valve guides….carb jets and needles…. Anything else ? Not saying it’s not true but certainly surprising
     
  9. It gets worse
    ethanol is not compatible with soft metals such as zinc, brass, copper, lead, and aluminum. These metals will degrade or corrode in contact with ethanol
    …. Apparently!
     
  10. It also makes you pee after a few pints.
     
  11. rstucke

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    research paper
     

    Attached Files:

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  12. Little Nellie

    Little Nellie Supporter

    He was right !

     
  13. According to that, Carbon-steel is affected worse than brass! Shocking.
     
  14. If I read figure 1 correctly, the corrosion rates for brass, are only marginally different between E5 and E10 blends and don't double in value until E20:confused:

    Again, if you're worried about fuel in your oil, fit Viton tipped needle valves.

    Edit: I am assuming the paper has been peer reviewed.
     
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  15. mikedjames

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    If I look at my jet collection, its easy to see those which are most used as the metal is duller.
    But all of my needle valves that fail are shiny but worn through vibration, they dont last long enough to go dull..
    The carburettor metal has dull patches on it too in the float bowl.But nothing serious.
    The throttle spindles have worn the carb body faster than its corroded.


    So I think this is another one where problems are being assigned to fuels rather than the real cause.

    But the true point is that regular use beats storage for engines and fuel systems.
     
  16. So all the unions on my fuel system!
    They can be changed easily but I suppose the Malpassi isn’t E10 resistant either.


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  17. Pretty much the same on the inside of Dellorto carbs fitted to 2-stroke scooters since the 1950's. I'd always assumed the staining was due to premixing 2-stroke in the fuel tank at a 1:50 or 1:33 ratio....
    What's the current advice for running old 2-strokes on E10 @Dicky ?
     
  18. Yeah, for the record my old Dell needle valves were worn into shiny hoop by vibration, not thru corrosion. Brass dulls and patinas with corrosion, it doesn't go shiny.
     
  19. theBusmonkey

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    Fyi, a copy of the mail I received from Holt's this morning regarding Redex Lead Replacement....

    'Dear Mr Fox,

    Thanks for your email. As it stands, our Redex LRP product does NOT protect against E10 fuel. As a result we would advise you to use premium fuel with a lead replacement additive.

    We are working on a new version of the Lead Replacement which will protect against E10 fuel.

    Best Regards,

    Phil

    (Holts Technical Team Europe)

    Holt Lloyd Int., Unit 100 Barton Dock Road,

    Stretford, Manchester, M32 0YQ'

    I appreciate we don't need LRP due to the hardened valve seats but I have used it as an octane booster so was interested in their approach to E10 :thumbsup:
     
  20. rstucke

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    sorry guys just posted what I had
    My understanding is the water sucked in by etbanol causes more corosion than ethanol, latest Rubber hoses have standards that resist perishing.
    I've seen the sludge in tanks (and cleaned it out) when too much condensation enters e10 and the ethanol drops out to the bottom in a white merky soup, think about where the fuel outlet is in your tank. Next port of call is in your fuel pump and in the bottom of your carbies
    The research paper is labled Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) which is a respected American cohort, not sure if it's fake or not, but have seen the effects of ethanol enriched fuel.
     
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