What would you have done?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by paradox, Nov 9, 2013.

  1. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    As a civvy it's very hard to say...heat of the moment, emmotion etc.

    I asked a friend who had served in NI about papping yourself in a firefight and he said that's what the training does, cuts the emmotionnal out to enable you.

    Maybe it was this guys decision to overrule his training is why people are banging on about it today?

    I guess if I'd lost a buddy and could get some form of revenge I might, but then I'm not a professional and ranked soldier, or trained.

    Hard to condemn him in my eyes, but then what gives us the moral higher ground had he not been tried?
     
  2. He clearly knows he's doing wrong though as he says this stays between us and I've just broke the Geneva Convention.
     
  3. he was tried by the military , i wont comment , i too have a good mate who trained body guards in iraq after being sbs. He has seen some stuff in his life i wonder what that does to you , mind blowing stuff . :(
     
  4. don't really know para as i've never been in that position.
    one way i would do the same to protect myself in the future sort of thing.
    other way couldn't see me do that as its a little brutal.
    certainly one thing is i would not have a camera recording everything....
    from what i have read on here para you would be more likley to have the answer.
     
  5. Im honestly really torn by it

    Training would say adminster first aid and recover him as his intel may save further loss of life to our forces
    As he wasent directly involve in a fire fight with those marines then then i would be inclined to follow protocol
    However if it had been a direct firefight where he was putting his effort into killing me id imagine id struggle for compassion

    Then theres another part of me that hates all of it as after all on both sides were only puppets and were fathers,brothers and sons of someone
     
  6. para couple of ?
    how old are you,
    when did you join forces,
    how many tours did you do.
     
  7. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    I would like to think I could keep my dignity and composure. I wouldn't know until I was in it.
     
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  9. Hard to say, as I've never been in that kind of situation. Grim stuff. Who knows how you'd react?
     
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  10. so you joined straight from school
    deployed somewhere at 18
    over the next 16 yrs you did 8 differant tours from say ireland to afganistan via god knows where.
    most people you came into contact on them tours where normal everyday people that didn't wish any harm to anyone and you wished no harm to them either.
    i personally have never served in forces, know a few that have. some seamed to get every tour some never any,but.
    i would struggle to shoot anyone in cold blood but if someone had been taking a pop at me i realy dont know if i wouldn't do the same.
    i just don' know the answer to this one, i would ask a friend but god rest his soul.......
     
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  11. Indeed snotty you never know properly untill your in that situation
    Like i said its a head mess thinking about it
    Thats why stuff is drilled into you so you dont think you just react
     
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  12. I dont belive in god but for anyone who has lost a loved one from there family my heart goes out to there family

    Proper headmess for me and im glad im no longer serving
    My heart goes out to those that still are
     
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  13. i think things have gone a little mad when being shot at we have to ask permission to shoot back. can't get my head round that one.
    i would try not to think too much on this as clearly this can have negative affects on the mind, as i know with experiance with now departed buddy. big bottles of whisky long nights talking.
    btw he was in colchester got 3 years for being a bad one and then sent to iraq, not chucked out of the forces.
    his mind did get a bit mashed for a while....
     
  14. OK, not the same but have you seen the opening scenes of "Saving Private Ryan" , reactions of the victims colleagues, and what follows when you show compassion

    I maybe wouldn't have done what they did to someone in that state if I knew they were passed saving but I certainly would have made sure they couldn't join in again

    Those guys must be on hair triggers 24/7 and it's not "real" fighting now with any little pile of sand likely to hide something which could, at best, leave you without limbs

    Not condoning it but environment can change things

    Mr B
     
  15. I feel awful if I cut a worm in half when i'm digging, so i couldn't see myself shooting an injured man in cold blood.
    However, in this particular case, the perpetrators were clearly rational in their decision to shoot him...regardless of the emotional strain they're under. As such, it's premeditated murder, and the judge has ruled correctly. That doesn't mean that I agree with his sentence though, as surely there are mitigating circumstances.
     
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  16. Silver

    Silver Needs points/will pay!

    I don't know about shooting the hostile, but I would definitely shoot the dick that put the footage on his personal laptop!
     
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  17. The man who ordered the shooting of the young girl on a school bus in Pakistan, has just been appointed leader of the Taliban in Swat Valley, after the former leader was killed. If he were injured...I could bring myself to shoot him in the face....and happily quote the appropriate chapter in Sahria Law before I did it...and I'm a pacifist...inhuman c*nt...how the f*ck do these people live with themselves? How do they reconcile their actions with the teachings in the Q'uran?

    Tolerance and self discipline are the guiding principles...in case you haven't read it
     
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  18. did none of them think to lose the footage...:rolleyes:
     
  19. Silver

    Silver Needs points/will pay!

    It should never have made it back to base;) helmet cam lost during contact with hostile force etc etc
     
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