Toyota mirai hydrogen fuel cell car is it the future?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Poptop2, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. I don't actually know whether I'm right or wrong, I just threw it in for discussion, but it seems to me that if you add up all the components of the convoy, be it geese or cyclists etc, the net benefit will be zero, otherwise you've got something approaching a perpetual motion machine.

    Maybe there's some serious research out there.
     
  2. OK how about this. If the big truck in front and all the smaller cars create so much drag travelling alone, and the net drag of a convoy is less than the individual drags, then there would be a benefit. I think. Maybe that's it.
     
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  3. In the 70's someone came up with a methane powered vehicle the methane being made from chicken poo. One of the major fuel companies bought him out and we never saw him or the product again. Don't mess with oil companies.
     
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  4. That's why there's all the fuss about 5G, it's one potential mechanism for all the vehicles to chat to each other so they can form the trains and run on autopilot.
     
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  5. An urban myth possibly? Back in the 70’s Barnsley sewage works was generating all its own electricity from methane derived from human excrement. The technology had been around much longer though. In London during the war they used to run a fleet of vehicles off methane from sewage.
     
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  6. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Biomas energy plants are all over the country and very big business now. They create methane from all sorts of stuff to run electric generators.
     
  7. I could possibly run a generator all on my own then :)
     
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  8. Chrisd

    Chrisd Supporter

    Let's just bypass all the poor fuels and jump to Antimatter and be done with it

    The Wiki page shows some surprising energy values. I have to admit I hadn't realised how crap batteries are!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

    'Table of Energy Content'
     
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  9. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

  10. Toyota mirai hydrogen fuel cell car is it the future?

    No.
     
  11. matty

    matty Supporter

    That doesn’t make sense it must only be for cooling the inside of the trailer and what happens to the nitrogen gas it produces
     
  12. It seems like the nitrogen is stored as a compressed gas and released in the fridge mechanism so as it expands it takes away the heat. The gas will just be returned to the atmosphere is my guess. It's not driving the truck.
     
  13. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    No it isn’t, but the point is a big company is using it to generate the fridge. I think it’s a good step forward.
     
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  14. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Spent nitrogen turns to water
     
  15. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Maybe that particular car won’t be, but the energy source will be. I had this discussion on this forum a few years back and the consensus was nitrogen fuel cell cars were totally impractical. I’m not so sure they are now.
     
  16. Well I'm not being funny, but there's no point asking,

    'Is this car the future?'
    No Pop, it's not
    'No, I know it's not, but another one might be'.

    Although I don't want to come across as negative and to that end,
    I agree that a completely different car may or may not be the future, even if only for 10 minutes.
     
  17. I think not.
    I'm in favour of this though as trucks sometimes have to park up and leave their diesel fridge motors running all night.
     
  18. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    I take your point.

    Pity you never took mine you miserable old barsteward. :mad:
     
  19. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Okay, the use of nitrogen to fuel a vehicle or a fridge leaves only water as apposed to carbon monoxide. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    :D:D:D:D
     

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