Predictions for tomorrow

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Zed, May 9, 2020.

  1. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    Common sense is the key to success on this crisis , by us, not just the authorities
    And if you haven't got it, think about trying to learn it .
     
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  2. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    He's done it again and everyone gets sucked in,
    Dr Death waits for a chance to throw a polical bomb in the works, lights the fuse then steps back into the shadows until the next opportunity arrives
     
  3. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Be fair, I still moan about Thatcher and her mob and that was 40 years ago.

    Did anyone spot the comedy rerun of Tebbits "get on your bike" yesterday?
     
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  4. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    At least one positive came out of Boris's speech yesterday
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  6. Pudelwagen

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  8. Does anyone know who’s looking after the kids , if parents are all going back to work on their bikes ? :eek::thinking:
     
  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    What Boris would have perhaps liked to say but of course he'd have been shot to pieces for being a bumbling baffoon with no plan...

    "Look - we're no further forward... this waiting around for a vaccine/treatment is gonna take WAY longer than the economy can stand - SO, look people... we need more folk to catch it ... so it can work it's way through us all at a controlled speed without us all being ill at the same time. Please can a few more catch it, but not too many and with a bit of luck, in a few months, enough will have had it to limit the spread (assuming you can't get it again or pass it on again )"
     
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  11. crossy2112

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  12. I can’t see why they all can’t take a net on a pole ...........or a bucket :D thick them Germans init :D
     
  13. I tell you what, what about that Chamberlain, eh? Eh? Pitt the elder, don't get me on about that useless whig. Oh, nearly forgot that young whippersnapper....
     
  14. This is copied from the interweb.
    It is a bit long but it is worth a read through.

    THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL IN LIVERPOOL :
    I RECKON HE KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER:

    "What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes? The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that. Not 1 "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season. Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar? The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it. Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late. Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs? Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia. They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia. Strokes may not present (they arent) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to developa pneumonia. All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID. Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences. The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity. We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession. I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working? and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life."
     
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  15. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Fing is with a weeny bit of research, say googling "causes of pneumonia", anyone or his dog could have written that.
     
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  16. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    It does come across as a bit strangely written. “Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourself away...” Eh? Would be interested to know the source, otherwise it could be anyone. It’s bit like some of those clips you read on Facebook with no source quoted but underneath it says “Please share”. It may well be a doctor, in which case sure he knows more than a government minister, but that’s why they have the likes of the CMO advising them.
     
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  17. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Elderly people are mostly dying of paranoia. Hmmm
    The way to do these things is to illicit emotional outrage with completely emotionless language. Fail. Interesting that this "doctor" rates is own career (risk of sack or career stall) more important than the millions of deaths he predicts. Biggest recession in 300 years etc. Not what I hear. I think we'll be back to ok in a year. Calm down dear.

    Not that the overall gist isn't compelling. But it's May, winter isn't due for quite a while.
     
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  18. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    There are loads of deaths in care homes because the hospitals had to clear the wards ready for the surge of covid patients. So anyone who had it then past it around to everyone in the home.
    He doesn't list any advice on how to come out of lockdown, is he pumping out more of the herd immunity that's proved really effective (not)?
     
  19. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    He seems to be suggesting lockdown is in reality, counterproductive. So presumably “Stay Home, Save The NHS” isn’t something he subscribes to :thinking:
     
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  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Yep, he's saying "bring it on" the oldies are going to die anyway.
     

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