Piping in Engine Bay - Fuel breather related?

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Wonty, Jun 17, 2015.

  1. I'll get some photos up tomorrow for sure with this...probably at first light...when the cider runs out ;)
     
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    009 dizzy...
     
  3. looking at the two pictures @vanorak the 009 looks more familiar... just having a look for another engine picture
     
  4. no need to pull the engine:

    ideally: from the fuel tank spigot (under the bus) to a fuel cut off valve


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    then to a replaceable filter (buy a large capacity one with 6mm & 8mm outlets)

    then either hard line thru the rear tinwear (use a grommet) or flexihose up to the fuel pump....then up to the carb...

    biodiesel hose is good....
    tie the line/hose to the chassis wherever it needs it....as it comes up thru the tinware on the LHS it's quite close to the heat exchanger...there's a convenient hole in the chassis crossmember, just above it you can get a zip tie thru...it'll all make sense once you're grubbing around under the bus, getting rust in your eyes:D
     
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  5. the reasoning behind the fuel cut off is that it makes replacing the filter a doddle (no need to clamp the hose) and you can also shut it as a theft deterant...it's tucked up under the van out of sight...they're about £10 if you shop around...and you can also specify the size of hose tails you want....
     
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  6. Flakey

    Flakey Supporter

    You won't need engine out,
    You might find if it was fuel injected the tank will have two outlets or more precisely an out and a return so you will need to make sure the return has been blocked off properly , line runs from tank up and over gearbox , there should be metal tabs on the bus to hold it, put the filter under there then to a metal pipe through a grommet in the tinwear on the left side looking from the back, then back to rubber to the pump etc.
     
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  7. @vanorak my liver thanks you!

    Right looks like I need to do a little bit more buying tomorrow!

    I know the asks are coming in fast now, but is there a preferred method to clamp the fuel lines, I'm assuming anything has harsh as mole grips are just going to crush the line
     
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  8. cheers @Flakey

    So glad the engine can stay! I guess its easy to fear the worse!
     
  9. As per @Flakey . Make you support the fuel line as it loops over the transmission. Originally held with plastic "omega" clips. Also check the metal fuel line that comes through the tinware, and the rubber grommet that stops the tinware sawing through it. If you get under the bus, you'll see how it all fits together. The metal fuel line is supported by clipping into the LH spark plug lead holder on the fan shroud.
     
  10. Morning all,

    I've now got a few more photos of the engine bay and in the cold ciderless light of day I can see where the fuel filter is just wrong now after last night. So I can see the straight swap from the pressure side of the fuel pump line going to the carb (win that there are no tie wraps on that line out of the fuel pump, more than a slight loss that there is nothing at all....) that I need to do...seems easy that one!

    The photos though have raised a few more questions in my head so apologises up front

    There is a line that comes into the engine bay on the LHS that goes to the down tube from the carb... not sure what that is so any pointers, would be appreciated.

    I've traced the fuel line into the fuel pump and that is a metal pipe which does have a grommet through the the LHS just under the fan housing..

    Sadly I am in my works clothes so cant get under the bus to have a proper look but I assume where the pipe comes through the body to the fuel tank I need to replace this line and place the fuel filter on the underneath of the bus? Is that right, I think i've got what I need to do in my head sorted, but just wanted to make sure.

    Photos below, so any more spots of what the one previous owner did please shout up! Really appreciate the help. Thanks up front
     

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  11. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    The larger diameter hose going to the manifold with a black and yellow valve half way along goes to your brake servo. It's a vac line.

    The big spigot on the bottom of your air filter is for the crankcase breather. Should be connected to the breather that exits the case near the oil filler hole.

    Use fuel line clips on all joints and put the filter under the bus, and jobs a good'un.

    Your paint tin lid is missing too but that doesn't really matter. It's the cover for the big hole on the rhs of your engine bay that you can see the filler through.

    I'm a bit worried you had to "battle to change your brake light bulb"???
     
  12. As like I have said to all on this thread, thanks @Baysearcher for the advice and time. I feel happy to sort all this out now, which I will probably do at the weekend when I know I have all the parts to hand and time.

    Appreciate the extra info as well regarding the piping; I've seen the breather by the oil filler hold previously and did think it was a little odd...

    Will defo fix and fettle this weekend. Do really appreciate the help all, thank you...

    As for the bulb, sadly the bell I got the bus from had super glued the screw at the top of the left light lens, so I ended up drilling and tapping it out, then needed to sort a new bolt to fit modified lens housing... one bulb, three hours! I could give you a long list of electrical failings that I have had to solve over the time with the bus...
     
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  13. scrooge95

    scrooge95 Moderator and piggy bank keeper

    Thanks for posting this thread @Wonty ...... I've been a bit suspicious of the breather pipes in my engine bay since I bought the van but not really known what I should be looking at. The pipe coming down from the nearside air intake ends with insulating tape, and the one from the off side is cable tied to it with a braided hose going into the large lump on the right, which I assume is the old style air filter. These two pipes should presumably be joined with a T connection and BOTH go to the air filter, yes?
     
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  14. These are pretty standard previous owner "improvements" - you'll get them sorted. Fuel filter under the bus immediately after the tank out let (as above, if you've got an FI tank, you'll need to check that the tank return is properly plugged). I'd change that rubber grommet through the tinware if you can, otherwise check the metal pipe isn't wearing through. The fat pipe from the manifold is the vacuum line to your brake servo. You need to make arrangements for the crankcase breather emerging near the oil filler. Either route it to the spigot on your air filter or, ideally, check the chromey filter and fit a stock paper airbox. If you've got an L-shaped bracket on the RHS of the engine compartment, it should fit.
     
  15. Honesty @scrooge95 I am glad I posted as well, as from this I have learnt a shed load in the past 24 hours about my engine bay and what it SHOULD look like!

    From everything I have gained from this thread and everywhere else, I am going to say yes, it does go to the air filter...
     
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  16. Honestly @snotty I have learnt so much from the previous owner "improvements" that I am getting a lot happier with working on my bus and also knowing what my bus wants to do and why. Its been a journey, and I thought I was getting close, this ha just been a lesson to me that I need to get to know the engine as good as I know my electrics!

    Got all the parts arriving tomorrow to replace everything from the tank to the pump to the carb - including omega clips, so fingers crossed another 24 hours and my engine bay will look a shed load better!

    Just a quick one on this tank, as I'm guessing the worse and I do have this type of tank... still not managed to get under the bus at this moment, but is it obvious to spot the tank return, is it net to the tank outlet?

    I've got holes for a bracket at the top of the engine bay, and I've compared this to other pictures on the web, so hoping all is good, managed to find most of the items on fleabay, so fingers crossed, next weekends job list is forming!

    Just want to say a big thanks for helping me out, going to try and get on techenders this summer, I think I owe more than a few of you a beer!
     
  17. @poptop2 @wizrod @vanorak @theBusmonkey @Flakey @snotty @scrooge95 @Baysearcher

    All just wanted to post a thank you to each and everyone of you for the help and advice you gave: i got all bits ordered and hopefully will fit them over the next day / Saturday pending the delivery time. Will post more pictures once done.

    Just a big thank you for the help to date... legends each and everyone of you!
     
  18. The first six months of bus ownership are normally devoted to putting back all the stuff previous owners threw away, so nothing out of the ordinary here ;). The VW microfiche on www.ratwell.com is a good guide to identifying what stuff was fitted in the first place and has gone missing over the years.

    The tank return should be easy to spot.
     
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  19. Cheers @snotty for the nudge to the microfiche, been having a cracking look at them, and basically its answered a couple of questions I had about other things on the bus, so thanks for this... also now have a good idea about how the fuel / air flow lines should be going... so spot on.

    Parts are at the local depot so off to pick them up in the morning, so fingers crossed for a dry day tomorrow... then its sorted!

    Again, cheers
     
  20. scrooge95

    scrooge95 Moderator and piggy bank keeper

    Apologies for what might be a really obvious question, but the coloured connections in this diagram ^^^
    are flexible hose joining up the solid metal pipes presumably.... I have some 5.6mm fuel line left from replacing the pipework around the carb, and I have some 3.5mm vacuum hose on order which I'm hoping is the right stuff to replace the three sections of breather pipe in the engine bay (did I order correctly?), but which should I use for the little coloured joining jobbies? Or is it a specialist connection? When I looked in the engine bay earlier it just seemed to be ratty braided pipe of unknown origin.
     

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