no oil cooler on performance engine?

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by grub, Oct 26, 2014.

  1. Engine is about 800 miles old (only a few months I would guess).
    Not really sure how many miles its done since overheating but I would guess a couple of hundred judging by conversations with builder & owner - I don;t really want to ask too many questions as all parties are obviously protecting their own interests & it's really not too much my business at the moment.
    Think it's just got the standard oil cooler, but haven;t really got to the bottom of it all yet.

    the way I've left it is that i'm not interested unless I can get the engine at a price which reflects the fact that I will need to pay someone to strip/inspect it, repair any possible damaged parts & fit an external oil cooler. Can't really see that happening as the owner would probably be better off finaancially seeling it to someone who doesn't know that it overheated!

    I like the idea of the turbo engine myself - surely FI would be more reliable than carbs?
    Although, would the heat generated by the turbo present a problem as far as cooling goes (think i'm getting paranoid about overheating issues now, expeciallyas I have suffered them myself!).

    the turbo engine is current in a Karmann Ghia, spec of both engines is as follows (most of this means nothing to me!) - but see what you think..

    2007cc turbo..
    Rimco AS41 case bored and tapped for full flow
    CB 78mm 8 dowel crank
    CB H beam rods
    Mahle steel backed bearings
    90.5 Mahle barrels and pistons
    Total Seal rings
    CB 044 CNC roundport heads
    AJ Simms LBC2 camshaft
    Scat 1.25 rockers
    Manton pushrods
    Scat Chromo 12lb flywheel
    Scat 1.5 quart deep sump
    Kennedy stage 1 clutch cover
    Daiken HD drive plate
    45mm Jenvey throttle bodies
    CSP match ported inlet manifolds
    CSP throttle linkage
    CB pressure pots
    Stainless CB style VW Speedshop turbo exhaust, modified to allow turbo to behind the rear valance/wing of the Ghia. No body/valance trimming required to fit into a 30hp engine bay.
    Low Bugget T3 turbo
    CB wastegate
    BOV
    Emerald K6 ECU and wiring loom
    Innovate LC1 Lambda probe
    All tinware powdercoated in satin black
    Bosche alternator
    Balance pulley modified for crank trigger.
    Custom ally trigger mount.
    Ford coilpack (distributorless)
    Welded Bugpack fan, etc

    and the 2052..

    2052 cc
    Cb 044 heads
    Cb 74mm crank
    Eagle 120 cam
    Scat lifters
    Straight cut cam gears
    94 mm mahle piston and barrels
    Deep sump full flow
    Cb balanced rods
    Scat rockers
    Lightened fly wheel
    Weber 44 idf carbs
    Comes with vintage speed exhaust and stainless j tubes which have been wrapped
    Comes with all the tin ware
    Also comes with 2.0 gearbox which has oil changed and work perfectly
    I will not sell gearbox separately so please don't ask this comes as a package that can bolt straight in to your van
    Engine has done less than 1000 miles

    comments/thoughts on both engines welcome..

    apologies for the lengh of this post
     
  2. By the way, Bus Depot website gives the formula to calculate revs vs mph as follows:

    MPH = RPM * TIRE HEIGHT / GEAR RATIO / R&P / 336

    According to Volksworld tech pages, the DC gearbox (type 3 IRS 6:cool: gives the 4th gear ratio as 0.89 and the final drive ratio as 4.125, so on the basis that the rolling diameter of 185/65x15 tyres is 24.47 inch, this gives, say at 3500revs (reasonable cruising rpm)..

    MPH = 3500 x 24.47 / 0.89 / 4.125 / 336 = 69.4mph

    Is that right?
     
  3. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    ***** knows.
    In general, the second one with straight cut gears and funky cam sounds like a strip engine to me.
    I know nothing about speccing a turbo engine, buut it and it's exhaust were build for a lightweight car.
    Also generally speaking why would you sell a performance engine with 1000 miles on it unless you weren't happy with it? Ditto the 1776 with 800 miles.
    And generally again, second hand performance engines worry me because you just know the whole purpose of building them is to rag them.
    If I were buying such an engine I'm afraid the first thing to do with it would be strip it down and have a look inside.
     
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  4. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Just read my posting. Imagine I wrote "external cooler" wherever I wrote "cooler".

    I am assuming that the engine wouldnt last more than a few miles with no cooler at all.

    And 2.5litres of oil is all of it...

    So maybe it was cooled by spilling hot oil out from a totally missing oil cooler

    After all when you buy an EMPI external oil cooler kit one of the stupid bits they give you allows you to remove the stock cooler totally and run all your cooling through an external cooler.
     
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