Things new Vw bay owners should know thread

Discussion in 'Buying a VW Camper' started by Poptop2, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. Rat look it lol
     
  2. "True dat" as they say on The Wire

    daddy long legs seem to especially love Westy roof spaces
     
  3. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Sadly they can break if you try to undo the knob without first sticking something through the small hole in the shaft to stop it turning.
     
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  4. An after market heater is not a viable replacement for a fully functioning heating system for use when driving. It will be expensive to buy and cost money to run and if not installed adjacent the cab or plumbed into the heater duct will be of little benefit when driving in winter. However the standard heating system is of no use when camped so if you were going to fit one anyway....!
     
  5. I find a pair of my socks keeps the crawlies away. Come to think of it everyone else too. (Note to self: Buy a 2nd pair.) Back in the real world. Pants by name pants by nature.
     
  6. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    The point of this thread is simply to point new owners in the right direction not confuse. Our vans are very straight forward if we are sticking to the basics. Engine in the back controls at the front. It is air and oil cooled. and it usually has a very basic points based ignition set up which is old technology these days hence you hear people say that you pay your local garage mechanic to learn when doing your vehicle, what this means is they do not generally have the knowledge to fix it these days. If you see a straight out of college mechanic working on your van he will be taking longer because he has no idea how the basic set up works. He is basically doing stuff you could in all probability do yourself and charging you to learn how to do it.

    To make my point I will tell you of my own experience re fixing my van,

    I left school to become an apprentice mechanic in a garage, after a while I decided it wasn't for me and left. In the meantime I had picked up the very basics of 70s mechanics.

    Life then took another course and I went into a managerial career for the next eight years. I had a aircooled bay that was my respite from the stress but I never did the work myself, I used it and had it serviced at the local vw garage or at a mates who owned a vw beetle workshop. On the odd occasion I did break down I usually fixed it myself at the side of the road over a cup of tea and an Haynes manual, I only ever took the most basic tool kit a few spanners, screwdrivers and feeler gauge, I also carried the leftovers from the previous service, plugs lead, dizzy etc. It was usually something along those lines that went. The point being I was by no means an experienced mechanic but I could usually sort it out by the side of the road.

    Our love of the aircooled bays continued until the very early 90s and then we gave up on them as we were holidaying in other ways and the van was getting no use.

    Fast forward to 20o8/9 and we decided to go back to the aircooled holidays and bought a early t25 in need of tlc.

    My pocket and self esteem didn't stretch to allowing me to take it in and get done and I had a little more time on my hands. with a little help from a good friend and a basic toolkit we/I got the project on the road without too many unexpected issue's, I found tuning and servicing the 2.0 aircooled lump a pleasant experience, she had not run for a good few years but after a very basic overhaul she was singing. You can't knock these engines they stand up to a fair bit of abuse, this one had been driven all the way back from Spain in a mad dash and dumped unceremoniously in an hedge and left for three years, but after a service and a tune up she was purring.

    Very soon after getting her on the road we decided to sell this van after agreeing we preferred bays and we set out to buy a bay.

    The bay I bought was a minger and I was uncertain as to whether I had the skills knowledge or tools to get her sorted and deliberated for a while as to what I should do.

    Then I found this place and after lurking for a while decided that I was capable of taking on the mess that was my van. The tools were soon out, I referred constantly to tlb and my Haynes manual for help and soon found that these vans are very logical. Once you understand the ignition system and the principal of aircooled over water cooled it is all very straight forward. If I ignore the fact it was totally rotted out and concentrate on the mechanics then I have to say it was easy, the braking system is easy ( although I always like mine checked by competent mechanics as a safeguard against numptyness) the running gear is very straight forward, the engine and box are simple and easy enough to work on with basic tools and the bog standard factory steering is great.

    It has been a good experience, I have made friends and found I am quite capable of doing things I had previously paid a lot of money to garages to do or not do as the case often was. I have shared the knowledge and helped others overcome basic problems. To be honest I have surpassed my expectations and enjoyed the past few years immensely. there are still things I don't know and that is when I ask or just listen but who does know it all?

    The only problems were the bodges previous owners had done. once I put those right it was fine, and I cannot emphasise enough how asking the most simple questions on here helped unravel a lot of mystique.

    Remember it is simple once you know. but if you don't ask you will never know. so don't be afraid to ask, only an idiot would make fun of you, and most people are only too willing to pass on their knowledge.

    So back to the original point. A basic toolkit, an Haynes manual and asking plenty of questions will save you a lot of money and you will know your vehicle is done properly.
     
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  7. When buying repro/aftermarket parts, even if the vendor tells you it will definitely fit, and you've given all the right info when ordering, there's still a very good chance that it either won't fit, fit badly or will need modification to fit......and even if you get it fitted it may not work as well as what you've taken off did.....if at all lol
    Hurrah for pattern parts! :s
     
  8. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    Everyone moans about pattern parts. Without them though, most old buses would have ceased to exist years ago.
    (I do agree some are shockingly bad though!)
     
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  9. Agreed....they've made owning an old vehicle a realistic proposition, but some are so badly made that unless you have a fair amount of vision you've got no chance of making them fit out of the box lol
     
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  10. Marzydj

    Marzydj Supporter

    Thanks for the post poptop, as a newbie slightly daunted by what he's taken on feeling encouraged!

    Be prepared for numpty questions!!

    Cheers
     
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  11. On pattern parts.....when I had my MGB, "Heritage" (I think) made parts from the original presses...and they rarely fitted ! The presses were 50 years old and worn, so the parts although " correct" could never fit perfectly. My point is that pattern parts are only as good as the original they are based upon - you get what you pay for but be ready for some jiggling to get any panel to fit!
     
  12. Road tax for latebays 225 for the year.... RIP OFF,
     
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  13. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    I think I might buy a t4
     
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  14. Ensure every petrol pipe is in good condition otherwise you run the risk of burning your van away. Oh and remember to wave to other vw bays you pass.
     
  15. some very handy tips on here for me as a new owner , thanks
     
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  16. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Everything could have been messed with. It took a while and an engine strip down to discover I had a 1641cc engine.

    Try driving any bus before buying one especially an eBay one like mine even if it has 5 days MOT left. White knuckles on the handbrake , foot hard on the brake about 200 yards of driving experience of any T2 from where I had just bought it and I was rolling on a steep hill down to a busy road.

    Junk rolling around (cab bed support poles ) under the rock and roll bed sounds just like things falling apart or a tailend collision.

    If your bus has a single chrome effect air filter above a single carburettor in the middle it will run less well on cold days than it should.
    Much better is the stock vw bulky black box air filter or saucepan like stock air cleaner complete with a hose going down to a pipe pointing at a cylinder head.

    If it smells of petrol check that the overhead pipes venting the fuel tank are connected to the air filter and the fuel filler hose is not split.

    Many good diagrams and explanations on the www.ratwell.com website.
     
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  17. Jeez @poptop2 your posts are like reading a Tolkien novel

    :p
     
  18. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Sorry. Did it help though?
     
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  19. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    It did take from Dec 2012 until Sept 2013 to finish it :(
     
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  20. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Just a footnote to clear up this ' aircooled' thing.

    Aircooled like water cooled simply refers to a method of cooling the engine oil so as it remains at the right temperature to lubricate your engine. The vent at the rear take in air that is blown around the engine and over the oil cooler to cool the oil. It is vital there is the correct amount of oil in your engine to stop friction wear between the moving parts inside the engine.
     
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