well i pulled starter , noting the lower mounting bolt was not as "hammered up " tight as it may wish to be , stripped starter/solonoid as much as poss , could see no probs , so reassembled refitted and hey , bingo , starter fired up 1st time , so co-incidence or was there a prob (like intermittant ?) it 2 me is worse if i get a result but dont know 4 sure what caused the initial prob .(this post a follow on from my others re vehicle not starting and AA dude telling me the solonoid was not dis engaging .....hmmmmm.)