Servo testing.

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Zed, Sep 18, 2020.

  1. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    It works as a servo, but I think it's also broken. If I ram the brake pedal at idle the engine note changes and the afr leans.

    Correct me if I'm wrong...
    Normally there is vacuum both sides of the diaphram. Press brakes lets air in the atmosphere side via the breather but it's not supposed to pull air continuously right through the servo into the manifold?

    I should know this.
     
  2. I had something similar there is a test some where ste u can do on ratwell I think but mine was missing the 1 way valve


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  3. I believe that’s how they work. Vac on both sides until the valve lets in air on one side. It’s atmospheric pressure that does the pushing.

    I’d change it anyway.
     
  4. May...may...be that the diaphragm’s split, letting air right through?
     
  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Either the valve inside between the two halves is leaking (gets my vote) or the diaphram is split. Either way I'm glad I didn't send the servo back.

    This bloke is good, clear, fast, no words wasted. I like his snap ring pliars. Is he on coke?
     
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  6. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    There is a double valve thing going on. One part closes the path between the halves while the other lets atmospheric pressure into the pedal side.
     
  7. Why didn’t I use an old pair of underpants to catch brake fluid :rolleyes:?

    A gem. Like the way all the fasteners ping off in all directions.
     
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  8. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    There wasn't a wasted second! No messing with vague descriptions of how it works - 'ere, I'll chop it up and show you. All that time I wasted looking at diagrams!
     
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  9. I think servos are like compensator valves. You can look at diagrams, but you’re still none the wiser as to how it works...
     
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  10. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    None of the ones I looked at explained how they work, nor did the descriptions on the linked pages. Too much glossing over the crucial valve. In effect I've got a split o-ring in there.
     
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  11. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Today I drove to Halfords for brake fluid and a new drip tray - someone, probably me, ran over the last one.

    Servo is working fine, no leakage. :thinking:
     
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  12. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    ....so I've ordered some 15w40 oil. I'd been going down from 20w50 to 15w40 to 10w40 just because. 10w40 is too thin when it's cold, it takes too long to build pressure.
     
  13. 15W40 is ideal, I think.
     
  14. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    20W50 mixed 50:50 with petrol is typical..

    And taking time to build pressure sounds like a tiny air leak allowing the oil to run back. I see pressure rising immediately on cranking, which goes up to about 60 psi as the engine fires up..26mm pump..
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2020
  15. The way you test them is to switch off the engine you should then have three to five applications of the pedal still with servo assistance before the pedal goes hard, obviously do this when stationary.
     
  16. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Yes, that was working after replacing the jammed non-return valve but it was drawing air right through the servo too. Now after some exercise it's stopped leaking through. I don't think I'll be returning the servo I bought though or the next day, sod's law, it will play up again!
     
  17. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    If you’re using a standard oil filter try one with an anti-drain back valve such as a Mann W920/14; it might help with initial oil pressure build up especially when you have an external cooler.

    15w40 should be fine but I'm using 15w50 until the ambient temperature drops.
     
  18. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    All groovy with the 15w40. The 40 bit is fine, the 10 bit is too thin for mine certainly in the summer.
     
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  19. Not sure why 10W is thicker cold than 40 hot.
     
  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Not sure what that means!
     

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