Its a aircooled thing - isn't it ?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Poptop2, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    It's a dub thing

    Our first bay was bought in 1978 from our father in law it was a 1971 k reg orange and white Danbury that belonged to Lou's dad , he was a Italian and bought it to take him his wife and seven kids to Italy each year , how they slept comfortably i have no idea but they did and Lou regails me with story's of how he was too mean to pay for parking and how this lead to them parking up in many dubious places on their three or four day journey to Naples , they did stop off at Lou's aunty's house in ferrara to visit and freshen up but other than that it was pedal to the metal all the way there with only the briefest of stops otherwise .

    The first time i got to go in the van was August 78 when Lou's dad took a few of us including Lou's gran who was visiting from Naples to Borth .

    It was a day trip on a beautiful hot day, we stopped off at mountain streams and bathed in the sea , Lou's mum cooked lunch in the van and it was a glorious initiation to vw camping - so , i bought it !

    When i say bought it i mean i was hooked and told Lou's dad " Antonio or Tone to me " i wanted it when he was done with it A month or so later he told me he was selling it and if i wanted it it was mine for nine hundred spondulas " christ " i was on sixty five quid a week and had just got a mortgage ! no way could i afford that , but somehow Tone convinced me that if i paid a deposit and paid back ten quid a week it would soon be paid , what i did not know was , he wanted me to have it and had no intention of selling it otherwise , top man !

    So i sold my old Saab 96 for £550 gave the money to Tone and we began our vw campervan experience , we headed straight back to Borth to recreate that glorious day - only this time it was raining ( unusual for Wales Not ) as the rain teemed down and the view became obscured by condensation Lou and i put the kettle on and got comfy .

    That van was the coolest most loved camper in the history of campers in our minds , we never really did much to her she was well serviced and very reliable , body rot had not had tme to settle in and Lou's dad had had a new engine put in as a matter of course at 100k , we took her to the vw agent in town who had sold her new he serviced her for about £85 all in if there was ever any brake issue's he usually told us at the service time and then got the apprentice to sort it when i took her in , we never did have many brake issue's to be fair .

    We only met a few other vw camper owners on our travels , we saw loads on the road and waved as was the custom but parking up was always somewhere very cheap or free so we probably missed the crowd .

    i remember meeting a guy in Cornwall in about 83 that had converted his to a diesel engine , he told me how he had got his local vw garage to source a new engine and radiator system and had them do the job , he seemed put out that they charged him over £1200 to do it , anyway it sounded like a bag of Marmitee to me and i decided they sound better with the put put put of a proper aircooled lump in them and my view remains the same to this day , it is however due to cost of fuel now a thing i am seriously considering .

    In those days petrol prices were near a pound a gallon or just over , diesel was cheaper and the guy got more miles to the gallon than i did , but eh oh at a pound a gallon i was not complaining !

    Nowadays the difference in mpg makes diesel a bit more appealing , my high handed stance on the purity of aircooled is beng seriously questioned by me , i have watched with interest the scooby conversions going on around us and have pondered on buying a second hand scooby and doing it myself , i have the garage and tools i even have a bit of knowledge , there is back up advice on here and eb and i can source a engine etc from lots of places at the right money but - the diesel option is becoming more and more appealing for some reason , maybe it is because i have been reading up on them maybe it is because diesels run hotter so the heating will be better or maybe it is because i can get diesel cheaper through our local supplier , i don't really know why but if i am to keep using my vw for holidays i know i have to think about economising on the fuel or do shorter trips out .

    I am not saying for one minute i will do it this winter or even next winter , i am just saying i am looking into it and all these years later it doesn't seem such a bad thing as way back in the day !

    The funny thing is i am so torn something inside me tells me not to even contemplate changing from aircooled , aircooled is what i believe our vans were built around the whole ephos of a bay is aircooled , the tinny chug that shoves us up the road at a steady reliable rate of knots is something i can close my eyes put my head back and hear inside my skull as easy as wink , the thought of the heavy drumming beat of a diesel lump forcing Rhubarb up the road is not something that readily appeals to be honest but blimey the cost difference is tempting.

    i am i suppose a bit of purist when it comes to all things vw and this is something a person like me would naturally struggle with , i am of course being sensible re the future running costs etc but something within me just won't take the whole concept of a diesel engine on board ?.
     
  2. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    I personally love and know diesel engines well, the problem i've seen is deffo a cooling issue and unless done properly i don't even want to entertain it, i've seen conversions suffer overheating due to badly placed radiators, i don't think the underslung one is a good idea on a diesel, don't forget the brazillian was offered for a short time as derv but the failiure rate of the engine was high, the other problem i see is the engine space, if you fit a golf diesel it needs to be set on an angle and clearance for servicing etc is poor, in the future it may be an option to get a smaller boxer diesel for cheap enough money as subaru are now using them, this may solve clearance issues. This subject intrests me a lot to as i suffer bad mpg as you know, i've yet to see a company offer a conversion for the auto box so i think should i go down this route it won't be with my current van.
     
  3. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Tbh Rick when i do the math the outlay would be a lot the conversion time re getting brackets made , conversion plates etc i begin to back off .
     
  4. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    yes malc, i must admit it would be wiser to buy one already done so someone else has taken the hit, although subarus complete can be bought very cheap on eblag there's a lot of money in staying the same offsetting the 5 grand cost of having it proffesionally done (5 grand is the price i know someone paid) if you had the know how i reckon you could do it yourself for 2 grand though, but really how many miles do you need to drive to make up the cost? ok so it might cost me £100 in fuel to wales and back at the moment but to cost me £60 in a scooby how long to repay the work? i'd need to do a lot of miles to make it worth while.
     
  5. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    This is the trouble things are so expensive these days , i could do it cheaper i have people i can get the engine off as a favour , i have people who will do the conversion plates etc and i can do a awful lot myself but even then time and money would amount to the whole winter and about £1200 !
     
  6. vinnyboy

    vinnyboy Supporter

    Ive give this some thought myself, but keep backing off. I work in a modern main dealers and would not thank you for a new diesel car unless it was covered by a very good warranty. A modern diesel is very fast and economical but also very complicated. Every day i change turbos, intercoolers, injectors, flywheels, egr valves etc etc and each one of these jobs on its own can cost about £1000. This instantly gets rid of the fuel money saved. Most modern petrol engines are cheaper to fix and more reliable.
     
  7. Poptop2

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  8. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    i'm sure you could make it fit but them engines are uber pants.
     
  9. Poptop2

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  10. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    mmmmm, ok but the engine choice is very underpowered unless you go turbo and i bet they are problematic as it was probably a cobbled on addition like they did when they turbo'd the early landies, they suffered head and crank problems.
    1.6 (1,588 cc) (48 bhp) Naturally aspirated
    1.6 (1,588 cc) (70 bhp) Turbocharged
    1.7 (1,715 cc) (54 bhp) Naturally aspirated

    this is probably why people go golf diesel on the tilt.
     
  11. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    i am lead to believe and i do not know for a fact but the early wasserboxer was just the same as my lump with a water jacket i do not know which diesel engine they used for the t25 but am guessing golf engine ?
     
  12. Poptop2

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  13. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

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    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

  15. Poptop2

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  16. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    lol, yep old diesels ain't exactly quiet... you're spoiled with this modern common rail muck and the ammount of sound deadening, my old landy with a 2.25 n/a diesel with 4 speed box and no soundproofing with just a thin bulkead for the firewall was deafening 55 flat out and you couldn't have a conversation - happy days.
     
  17. Poptop2

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  18. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    wouldn't do to all like the same thing malc, i'm seriously missing landies and was on eblag earlier feeling very tempted, if i sell the beetle i may have to have one again, it's been 20 months without the green oval on my drive and that's the longest time in the last 21 years.
     
  19. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Do it , i can see Lou resplendent in a army jacket and thermals ;)
     
  20. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    it's rare me and lu travel together anywhere unless in the camper, in the 12 months i've had the beetle she's maybe been in it a handfull of times, she has her car i have mine we rarely go anywhere together unless it's in the van.
     

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