Fairytale ending ...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Lasty, Nov 21, 2020.

  1. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Is a snowflake WOKE? Or is that something different?

    I'm terminally confused. (see what I did there. :) )
     
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  2. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    Best not read any press ...as it's all distorted full of twists to suite the readers favorite ,full of secondary source info .
    What do you really gain from the press ..media . Anger .
     
  3. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    You are correct of course but the term went into disuse after the abolition of slavery. The current accepted meaning of snowflake as an oversensitive delicate wimp bears no relationship to the original definition. It has an entirely different meaning.
     
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  4. Well they have to put them up early because it’s Easter come January :D
     
  5. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    It was a reply to @Suss Dicky.
     
  6. crossy2112

    crossy2112 Supporter

    As sent to Suss, @Dicky to share the joke - but you have to view on your phone.
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  7. Radio one have done this before. I remember when radio one censored out the word faggot from the fairy tale of new york back in 2007.

    They had thousands of people ringing up to complain about how ridiculous it was, mainly homosexuals who said they were not remotely offended by it. By the afternoon the boss of radio one Andy Parfitt came on air to apologise and say they had got it wrong and allowed them to play the original version again.
     
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  8. When slavery was abolished there would have been many people similarly outraged at their then equivalent of overly sensitive 'woke' people getting their way and changing 'our way of life'.
    When moves towards gender equality and outlawing sexism in workplaces etc came about there was probably even more of the outrage. It's 'banter', it's only a joke, it's not our fault if they can't handle a bit of male humour they shouldn't be doing the job if they can't etc etc.
    There was and still is in some quarters the same with regards to racism too.
    The LGBT Community are the last to be afforded any of those protections.
    I'm not and don't personally know anybody who would be offended by the lyric. But, if there is, is it really something to, ironically enough, get really upset and offended by them swapping a word out for haggard? More than being a sudden cultural cleansing, as has been suggested, I'd argue it's more likely the next obvious step, based on the last few hundred years of changes in social justice etc in this country.
    Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 50. LGBT men are apparently something like 5 times more likely to take their own lives. If they're reaching that level of depression from feeling constantly persecuted then maybe people screaming F*ggot at them at the top of their lungs, for a month over Christmas could be the straw that breaks the camels back for them?
    Like I say, I can't personally see why somebody would take too much offence to it, but then I'm not walking in their shoes. And had it been written as haggard in the first place, it would be no less of a brilliant song. That word doesn't make or break it, so why the mass outrage about it?
     
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  9. Interesting take in the paper. 20201122_222517.jpg
     
  10. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    It won't be long before calling someone a racist or a sexist becomes an unacceptable slur as it would be considered offensive to racists and sexists.
     
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  11. I don't think I'm a snowflake. I don't take offence pretty much ever. But I didn't like being described as middle class?? My parents and those before all pretty much coal miners and shop assistants, carers etc.
    Anyways I loved the song, and always liked Kirsty. But I did feel uncomfortable at the omitted word. having a different word inserted doesn't in my opinion detract from it. The Pogues don't seem to be bothered either.
    It seems like the most offended are those who want to be able to call people f@ggots without redress. If you use a word with the intent to offend then its probably offensive.
     
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  12. Sproggy4830

    Sproggy4830 Supporter

    The wonderful bbc has started an ageism campaign, its on the way to banning music from the sixties, its already got rid of Bill Kenwrights golden hour who played 50s and 60s stuff . Paul Gambachini doesn't include the 60s on his weekend decade show. It wont be long till Tony Blackburns sound of the 60s ia gone . I may be wrong but perhaps a big percentage of us on here like to listen to the 60s stuff.
     
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  13. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    The BBC is supposed to be current. Us oldies have had our time. Like it or not it tries to reflect what's happening and not get too bogged down in the past. I remember when they banned Status Quo for being infuriatingly successful.
     
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  14. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    It's not like they don't have form - usually it's middle England taking offence to gay sex references in Frankie songs, or people for being clear what you can do if you order them about by Rage Against the machine. - I guess the Pogues issue is it comes up every year.

    From Wiki page on banned BBC songs:
    This article lists songs which have been banned by the BBC over the years. During its history the Corporation has banned songs from a number of high profile artists, including Cliff Richard, Frank Sinatra, Noël Coward, the Beatles, Ken Dodd, Elvis Presley, Bing Crosby, the BBC Dance Orchestra, Tom Lehrer, Glenn Miller, and George Formby. Some songs were banned for only a limited period, and have since received BBC airplay, while others were banned many years after having been first aired, as was the case of the Cure's "Killing an Arab", ABBA's "Waterloo", Queen's "Killer Queen", the Boomtown Rats' "I Don't Like Mondays" and sixty-seven other songs which were banned from BBC airplay as the first Gulf War began.

    Obviously George Formby's version of Smack my Bitch up must have offended some.

    Amazing how many songs were banned in the 50's from the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC
     
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  15. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    Didn’t they only ban playing the Quo from Radio 1, or 1FM or whatever it was called back then. They were still on the R2 playlist. And didn’t Steve Wright resign in protest? It seems lost in the mists of time now. Of course a ban is sometimes very good for business ( see Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax for further details). There was a thing on the Beeb news about someone who described them selves as “non binary” stopping reading the Harry Potter books because JK Rowling tweeted her support for someone, a feminist writer I think, who had dared to question the idea of non specific gender, and therefore, by association, JK Rowling was a Transphobe too. Apparently sales of the HP books went up :D. It seems to me people don’t mind having a discussion about issues, what they don’t like is being lectured :thumbsup:
     
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  16. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    It's rather funny when self-proclaimed defenders of the oppressed expose themselves extremists on the prowl for victims. :)
     
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  17. Sproggy4830

    Sproggy4830 Supporter

    RE THE BBC i forgot to mention that from January they've got rid of Claire Teal and her brass band show so its not all bad news . ( Throws hand grenade into the room them walks out)
     
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  18. You do make me smile :)
     
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  19. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    No! I really liked that show :(

    Although it’s Big Band, not Brass Band as such. There was a brass band show, not even sure if it’s still on. @snotty would know. Is it still on Snots or am I thinking of “The Organist Entertains” and “Sing Something Simple”? :thinking:
     
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  20. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    It would be amazing though....
     
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