EV conversion for the future

Discussion in 'Alternative engine in bus' started by Gooders, Dec 9, 2020.

  1. Interesting :)
     
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  2. I wouldn't bet on Lithium tech to bridge the gap to hydrocarbon density, but you never know.
     
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    Be an interesting one to follow. I'll deffo do this to my bus in the future when it's not a £30k job and delight in cancelling my RAC membership at the same time...
     
  4. The suggestion is you won't need lithium at all, according to Jim al-Khalili. Atom thick sheets of graphene, a form of carbon, can be used to make a super capacitor, which will store a lot of electricity in a much smaller volume than a conventional battery. The aviation and automobile industries will be saved.

    Mind you it might take as long as fusion power to perfect.
     
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  5. Well what about a hydrogen fuel cell conversion then :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Already got the fire extinguishers set up ready ;)o_O:thumbsup:
     
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  6. mikedjames

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    The hydrogen fuel cells have a limited output, and storage and transport of hydrogen is scarier because it tends to burn over a much wider percentage mixture range than petrol ( 4% to 75% instead of 1% to 10% for a lot of liquid fuels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammability_limit).
    Also trying to compress hydrogen to the kind of energy density of petrol means the storage containers will have very high pressures inside them.

    But coupled with supercapacitors it all starts to make sort of sense. Fuel cells power cruise and top up the capacitor. Stopping tops up the capacitor, the car accelerates with the capacitor.
    Methanol fuel cells are another possibility, easier to store and contain the fuel, but these produce CO2.

    The supercapacitors would also make for an improved hydrocarbon powered hybrid car with a smaller petrol or diesel engine.
    One where the supercapacitors do not wear out as they are using electronic effects rather than reversing chemical reactions. More like a big spring..

    Basically handling petrol, methanol or ethanol is relatively safe and convenient , the risks are understood , compared with many of the proposed alternatives.
    Reverse cracking to make fuel from CO2 and water may be the cleanest solution, using wind, hydro, nuclear fission then nuclear fusion.
     
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  7. Gingerbus

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    Interesting article on Teslas and everyday use - especially range and recharging - from a petrol-head’s perspective:



    It’s half an hour long but worth watching all the same.
     
  8. docjohn

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    The Japanese government are chucking money at internal combustion engines running on synthetic fuel. Look up the Fischer-Tropsch process, you can even reprocess waste plastics to liquid fuel. Keith Duckworth of Cosworth said once that he'd build a turbocharged compound 2 stroke to get the most power from a given amount of fuel, couple that with hybrids using electricity from the turbo and brake regeneration and you can see the auto industry as we know it hanging around for a while yet, at least until people can't be bothered to own or lease their own personal transport device.
     
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  9. mikedjames

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    I was looking at the Cosworth website - this is more realistic than the all electric government led future. Can we trust them to get anything right?

    You could buy EVs basically for the last 50 years. Ferdinand Porsche held the land speed record in an EV before petrol cars worked properly. But its all about massive power for a short time but not a long cruise.

    Cosworth showcase things like a 12hp diesel electric hybrid for a drone aircraft. Electric boost for takeoff, cruise and battery charge off the engine for in flight. 6HP pushes the drone the rest is spare.

    The main thing to remember us that diesel is not evil in itself. It needs management to make it cleaner but that can be done. If you burn less fuel you produce less pollutants.
     
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  10. I love petrol, I can't help it !!!
     
  11. Indeed. If you used wind/solar to make it..?
     
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  12. mikedjames

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    Or hydro or nuclear.
     
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  15. The battery swop is already happening. Getting every car company on the same page with battery type is the same as having a regulated fuel source, which we have in petrol.
    Amazingly the oil companies are currently lobbying our own government to go further with E.V. support as they want to build the infrastructure now so they don't interrupt their revenue streams when we make the switch.

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  16. mikedjames

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