detachable rear crossmember/rear valance

brothernumberone · Jan 30, 2013

Upto '71, bays didn't have the gearbox cradle either, so i wouldn't think it would make the van unsafe to remove the valance, just less safe. VW did quite a bit of beefing up of the rear end from '72 onwards, and the front of course. It's more that removable valance conversions always look like they've been done with a tin opener.

I reckon i could get a t1 engine out in 15-20 mins if it wasn't for the nut behind the fan housing, that always adds 10 mins.

Kruger · Jan 30, 2013

if you loose the identity of the van by failing the 8 points system then you have a new van, that new van is less than 10 years old, AS IT'S NEW

Hence why I mentioned retaining and leaving the VIN attached to the body,
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Mini_Bungle · Jan 30, 2013

makes no difference you have failed the 8 points system and have to start again with a BIVA test

pj · Jan 30, 2013

Hey Jeremy,
my panel van has a removable rear valance, hasn't caused any problems at all... i'll upload some pics shortly

Kruger · Jan 30, 2013

makes no difference you have failed the 8 points system and have to start again with a BIVA test

If there is an original vin number, you can prove the vehicles year of manufacture being over 10 years old,

Therefore, being over 10 years old, the van does not fall under the IVA/BIVA scheme, it fails the first eligibility test to be included. :
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davidoft · Jan 30, 2013

The remove able rear valance won't save any time, as you will have to take the rear bumper off and the valance, in that time you could have half the engine disconnected

pj · Jan 30, 2013

The remove able rear valance won't save any time, as you will have to take the rear bumper off and the valance, in that time you could have half the engine disconnected

good point! having no valance does make engine removal alot easier but doesn't help my laziness at sorting out my flywheel oil seal.... really should get that done.... :
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Zed · Jan 30, 2013

The remove able rear valance won't save any time, as you will have to take the rear bumper off and the valance, in that time you could have half the engine disconnected
^Like.

Similar - did you (not you personally David) know you can remove a complete Type 4 engine without dismantling anything other than the plastic part of the oil filler? All you have to do is undo the rear 2 gearbox mounting bolts, drop engine and Gbox hinged on from Gbox mount to rest Gbox on something of your choice, pull the engine out and Bobs your uncle. Personally I hang the gearbox on some chain so it goes up and down with the van jacking.
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Dicky · Jan 30, 2013

never done it this way. Whats it like re-locating the gearbox bolts?

Mini_Bungle · Jan 30, 2013

makes no difference you have failed the 8 points system and have to start again with a BIVA test

If there is an original vin number, you can prove the vehicles year of manu[glow=red,2,300]FACT[/glow]ure being over 10 years old,

Therefore, being over 10 years old, the van does not fall under the IVA/BIVA scheme, it fails the first eligibility test to be included. :

but you have just made a new vehicle out of a old vehicle and being a new vehicle you need to register and test it
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Kruger · Jan 30, 2013

makes no difference you have failed the 8 points system and have to start again with a BIVA test

If there is an original vin number, you can prove the vehicles year of manu[glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300]FACT[/glow][/glow]ure being over 10 years old,

Therefore, being over 10 years old, the van does not fall under the IVA/BIVA scheme, it fails the first eligibility test to be included. :

but you have just made a new vehicle out of a old vehicle and being a new vehicle you need to register and test it

There must be some confusion here. Cutting the valance off a registered bus, leaving the vin number in place, and making it boltable does not destroy the van's identity or make it a new van.
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jeremy · Jan 30, 2013

Wow, I really have opened a can of worms here, I was only looking on saving £150 on buying inner and outer valance by making my own! Running a T4 lump so nice to know its easy to remove thanks for the input

Kruger · Jan 30, 2013

Wow, I really have opened a can of worms here, I was only looking on saving £150 on buying inner and outer valance by making my own! Running a T4 lump so nice to know its easy to remove thanks for the input

Seems that way

So you're running a T4 motor in a bay? any pics?
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Zed · Jan 30, 2013

never done it this way. Whats it like re-locating the gearbox bolts?
Easy enough, they have a thinner guiding in bit on the end like proper tinware screws.
Just done one. ;D

You can leave the hot air risers and control pods on as well. Disconnect the starter wires in case they get stretched more than they'd like.

This is not me being clever, this is the official VW method of removing T4 engines.
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tinworm · Jan 30, 2013

this is how ours looked when we bought it.

Mini_Bungle · Jan 30, 2013

makes no difference you have failed the 8 points system and have to start again with a BIVA test

If there is an original vin number, you can prove the vehicles year of manu[glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300]FACT[/glow][/glow][/glow]ure being over 10 years old,

Therefore, being over 10 years old, the van does not fall under the IVA/BIVA scheme, it fails the first eligibility test to be included. :

but you have just made a new vehicle out of a old vehicle and being a new vehicle you need to register and test it

There must be some confusion here. Cutting the valance off a registered bus, leaving the vin number in place, and making it boltable does not destroy the van's identity or make it a new van.

yes because you have failed the DVLA's 8 points system

you must score 8 points to keep the original registration 5 of those points must be for a unmodified monocoque/chassis

this you fail by removing a big chunk
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Kruger · Jan 31, 2013

makes no difference you have failed the 8 points system and have to start again with a BIVA test

If there is an original vin number, you can prove the vehicles year of manu[glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300]FACT[/glow][/glow][/glow][/glow][/glow]ure being over 10 years old,

Therefore, being over 10 years old, the van does not fall under the IVA/BIVA scheme, it fails the first eligibility test to be included. :

but you have just made a new vehicle out of a old vehicle and being a new vehicle you need to register and test it

There must be some confusion here. Cutting the valance off a registered bus, leaving the vin number in place, and making it boltable does not destroy the van's identity or make it a new van.

yes because you have failed the DVLA's 8 points system

you must score 8 points to keep the original registration 5 of those points must be for a unmodified monocoque/chassis

this you fail by removing a big chunk

We'll have to agree to disagree, :-X

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Baysearcher · Jan 31, 2013

Would be interesting to get a definitive answer on this but I guess its an interpretation thing.

Mini_Bungle · Jan 31, 2013

from the DVLA's site

3. Vehicles that have been
radically altered
This covers vehicles which are radically altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.
In these cases, the vehicle components from the original vehicle will be given a number of points. To keep the original registration number, the vehicle must have eight or more points, which must include the original or new unmodified chassis or monocoque bodyshell.
If the vehicle has less than eight points, a second-hand or altered chassis, frame or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA, whichever is appropriate, so that it can be registered. A ‘Q’ registration number will then be issued, (see section 7.)
The following points will be given to the original major components used.
n Chassis or monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis
as one unit) (original or new)* 5
n Suspension (front & back) 2
n Axles (both) 2
n Transmission 2
n Steering assembly 2
n Engine 1
*Direct replacement from the manufacturers
If there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (also known as “Cut and Shut”), IVA, SVA or MSVA will be required. A ‘Q’ registration number will then be issued.
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you are not using the original unaltered chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshel to the same specification as the original.

Mini_Bungle · Jan 31, 2013

this is a good read for you

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/chassis-and-monocoque-modification/

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