240 volt hook up installation questions for the electrical guru's....

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Fronkjunior, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. I am planning a 240 volt hook up install and have a few questions.

    I am going to put a socket on the outrigger and feed the cable through the floor into the rock and roll bed cupboard. Firstly, rather than then go into a consumer unit followed by a standard twin socket, can I simply replace both of those and use one of these to save space?

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    I take it that the earth would then need to go to the bodywork?

    If I do need to use a consumer unit then what rating should the the RCD and MCB be? Any recommended units?
     
  2. matty

    matty Supporter

    that will be fine but a cu will be better if running lots of kit
    you might have a problem getting the earth wire in the terminals if you use a big one but they have changed the rules and you can get away with a 4mm2 earth now
     
  3. matty

    matty Supporter

  4. Good thinking Fronk that makes a hook up install simple and tidy
     
  5. Strictly speaking no. You have no overload protection, only shock protection from the RCD. You could connect two 13 amp appliances into this and overload the supply cable (16 Amp cable theoretically). likely outcome of overload would be that site supply would trip out as you have no circuit breaker in the bus.

    That said will probably be fine. But then again - a standard unprotected socket would probably be ok but I wouldnt chance it.
     
  6. Forgot to say - my hook up is 30Amp 30 mAmp RCD with a 10 amp mcb for my socket and a 6 amp doing my on-board charger (also fed via a switched fused spur with 5 amp fuse.)
     
  7. The maximum I would run on hook up is my C-Tek which I believe is 1.4 amp and very very rarely a 2 KW fan heater (8amps?) I am trying to save room as the consumer unit plus the sockets seems to take up a lot of room in comparison.
     
  8. Will probably be fine but main issue is to ensure you have a good chasis earth!!
     
  9. matty

    matty Supporter

     
  10. Mine is a similar unit to that with the biggest earth I could fit to the chassis, never tripped out any campsite but only use it for phone charger, DVD player and occasional wife's hair dryer....not at the same time!

    Cheers
    Ben
     
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  12. Oooh another thought. Who has a 2.5 lead? (or who doesnt!)
     
  13. matty

    matty Supporter

    as normal ask 2 electricians and get 2 answers


    As it lunchtime i had a look in the regs book and we are both wrong and both right but i will put my hand up as the worse.


    Although the overload protection only needs to protect the circuit in the van and is not be responsible for anything on the site so the socket would be fine there is another problem.


    So


    To answer the original question
    That socket does not comply with the latest regs as the overload protection (fuse In the plugtop) does not disconnect all live conductors (live & Neutral)


    So to comply you need a 30ma RCD and a fuse or MCB that disconnects both line and neutral


    The box i linked to in a earlier post that i use normally comply's.

    As for the lead size all bought orange hookup cables should be 2.5


    I have updated my how to with the changes
    http://thelatebay.com/index.php?topic=6290.msg97516#msg97516
     
  14. whs - agreed. We got there in the end :)
     

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