Could be if I was to take temporary job on an agency and worked 15 and 12 hour shifts 6 days a week otherwise no, and a permanent job with any haulier is likely to pay half that with the same work expectancy. It’s a load of cobblers about wage increases it isn’t happening and it’s just the agencies cashing in because they have leverage now. Until they started talking about allowing the foreign drivers in today it looked for a while as if things were about to change pay and condition wise, but I guess that’s scuppered now?
Not heard that! Someone decide those scum sucking ***** pigs that were taking all of are jobs can come back then! Lol! So all the benefits of taking back control without actually getting control. Come on you torys and brexiteers… sort you government out will you!
Er. That very looks like taking control to me. Every other country outside of the EU has quotas for immigration, based on the country’s need and the skill level of the applicants. They are proposing short term visas for a limited number of people due to a specific short term need, exactly as everyone else does and unlike the previous system where there was no control on the importation of cheap labour. I presume that to attract these temporary drivers they’ll actually have to pay them fairly. Which ironically seems to be the reason so many left before, cos they were being taken advantage of. No one ever said that Brexit was about pulling up a drawbridge. It was about controlling who comes here for the benefit of the country. Which it seems to me is actually what’s happening here. obviously you’ll disagree. Over to you.
The good old days were great weren't they? We worked liked dogs for very average pay, Lived modestly and made our own entertainment, Go outdoors for fresh air if your bored, Work all your life, then you die. Ah the good old days. At some point our generation need to accept that we were taken for mugs. Conditioned to work hard and get on with it. But the younger generation have sussed us out. They won't work like dogs for poor pay, They wont live modestly and they like to be entertained, Go on exotic holidays if they are bored, They live their lives for now, not tomorrow
Tough jobs and grubby jobs are not appealing to the younger ones it's not just haulage ..tyre fitters ,truck mechanics are all in short supply ...Wages will have to and will go up . The pandemic of black death when finally fizzled out Wages went right up ....Shortage ...Demand ...Money .
I can’t see there is going to be a stampede of EU truck driver’s I mean why would they? And where are they going to live for the 6 months or whatever In their Trucks This Brexit government is going to have to offer a lot more money to those drivers Especially to come to a country that wanted them out in the first place .
Sainsburys deliver my weekly groceries and there is a mixed age driver workforce, many drivers in their 20's up to nearly retired in their 60's. From what they say its a good driving job around local roads and don't need hgv licence and the pay is not bad with plenty of overtime if they want it and they get a store discount on top. Re agency work, I worked as an IT contractor for a few years and the contracts you sign up to are biased in favour of the agency which are just an introduction agency and they charged me 25% fees. Ok the money was good but short term with no security and there were gaps of no earnings between contracts and those wretched agencies had a clause in the contracts preventing you from joining the client firm when the contract ended. You don't get any employer benefits either. And I had to collect the VAT from the agency and pass it on to the VAT man, right pain. Things may have changed a bit since then but agency work is not a get rich quick scheme. Re employing EU drivers on temporary visas, I thought the EU have a worse driver shortage than us, so why would they come here for a short term with no security and presumably having to pay their own housing and other costs unless employers pay them special rates which could spell trouble with our own drivers.
They had the option to stay. Full rights. Full access to benefits. Literally millions took up the offer. No one told them to leave. They had a free choice to stay or go. Actually a large number of Eastern European’s apparently went home at the start of the covid pandemic as they were worried about being able to travel if relatives back home got ill.
No, they had the choice to stay and apply for residency, but many of them were here to earn a living for their families back home, with no desire to become residents. Brexit meant they would have to leave because the indefinite right to be here was ended.
To quote a Lithuanian guy working at a mill I go to this week. “All my friends have gone home because minimum pay is just a little less there than here now, they’re near home and feel valued!”
Both my boys can drive artics and one hasn’t passed his driving test, I taught them to back them and drive them on private industrial sits and other private places, would they drive them for a living, not likely they’ve seen my recent workload and think the conditions and pay are appalling. Thirty year ago they might have automatically followed me into the trade!
I had a guy from Estonia working with me He was fanatical about paying his taxes ni etc , Would not work for cash, He walked to work once because he thought his car tax ran out at the beginning of the month stated on the tax disc That was then now this crap country has only ilegal immigrants in little rubber boats take back control aye Ppfffff
Another problem in the workplace .... too many people off their heads... taken from a friends website; Talking to a friend yesterday who is a manager at a company that does industrial & architectural painting of steelwork. He was telling me how much of their work is in London but contracts all over the place, they employ 30 guys but could do with 40. He was telling me that one of the main problems these days is that trying to recruit staff is balanced by the numbers falling by the wayside through drugs abuse or failure of drugs tests. Many sites require drugs tests & they conduct regular random testing. Good workers who have trained up & are earning good money testing positive for cannabis & cocaine & that its becoming a real problem for them. His firm isnt the only one with many firms he knows in the building trade reporting similar issues. He interviewed a bloke recently & one of the first questions that are asked is "Would you pass a drugs test on a monday morning?" The bloke looked thoughtful then said "Well i wouldnt pass on monday morning, I might pass tuesday but i would definately pass on wednesday so would be ok then!" My mate was so staggered at this he didnt know whether to laugh or congratulate the guy on his honesty. Needless to say he didnt employ him. They are starting prep hands laborers on £15 an hour & rates for painters & sprayers go up a fair whack from there.
Do they do alcohol tests or is that not counted? Only Mormons and imams need apply? problem is that getting on top of your game as a shot blaster or. Steel spray painter isn’t exactly high status or that well paid, after deductions and HMRC, and paying the rentiers that take everything that’s left. Repetitive and boring jobs potentially. Boozing after work, sometimes during was always a thing for this kind of work. There’s less of that now cos you can’t drive to your far far away affordable cot., but consuming all the other stuff has risen to match booze consumption. This level of work will always correspond with doing ‘something’ after work. Whether right or wrong.
I heard a conversation on a packed train into London earlier in the year - a couple of builders talking about a mate who ran a construction firm that had caught an employee doing brown at work. For those unaware - brown is slang for heroin.......
Brown is the brown stuff they smoke out of bacofoil. Processed dimorphine (China white) is heroin, stronger and which can be dissolved easily and banged up..one leads to the other. Faaar too much of this stuff going around…slow death sentence really as it makes ordinary life boring, painful and colourless (as I understand it having seen the decline again and again). You get the occasional success story but mostly it’s a one way street. Wastes lives and destroys society, good for wrecking places. …British empire patented the method in China so we could take their produce gratis. Mao basically executed 10s of millions of addicts to ensure a stable productive society… is it worse than drinking 10 pints a night after mixing concrete all day?
People move on from smoking weed to coke, speed and E's precisely because they are out of their systems faster for drug tests. Ergo, drug testing is directly responsible for moving people onto harder drugs. All these drugs are cheaper than going darn the pub for a skin full these days or most people would be doing that. Getting tanked at home on cans isn't the same as going to the pub. Bring back the working class drinking pub! Lower the taxes on pub drinking! Makes me sad to see what pubs remain have converted into eateries for the better off. What's a working man to do?
