Type 4 double thrust cam bearings...

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Deefer66, Dec 10, 2019.

  1. If it was going to take days .. I'd totally agree. There's a lot of messing in that article, but some on Samba do like to do that.... perhaps I'm just a rougharse.

    But for the time it took to make a receiving notch, about 20 seconds, and the cost of a set of cam bearings for the extra half a shell I though what the hell..

    The rest of the fettling was pretry much standard cam fitting for me, but.. might have been lucky.. or perhaps it'll all go pear shaped when I throw it down the motorway

    Was more worried when I found pump gears could 'drift' accross and hit the cam

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  2. Obvious question: do you need them? VW didn't seem to think so.
     
  3. VW didn't increase the lift and uprate the springs either... (or fit 123 ignition units ) and they liked the idea on later ones (Waterboxer anyway)

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  4. 77 Westy

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    You probably don’t need them, but it’s probably better to have them. And a lot of folks want them without knowing why.:)
     
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  5. Luxury! Think of those early type 1-ers who had no cam bearings at all :eek:
     
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  6. Interesting to know where the axial thrust comes from on the cam. Radial load I can understand (pushrods, valve springs etc), but the only axial thing I can think of is the thrust of the helical drive gears.
     
  7. 77 Westy

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    That’s why I said earlier ‘unless the gears are straight cut’.;)
     
  8. Oh, scoldy ;). Missed that bit.

    ‘Tis only the gear thrust that would load the cam back and forth, which is presumably why VW were happy with just a half shell thrust bearing?
     
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  9. Cam wear patterns suggest there would be some axial pushing those tappets round to get that arch shape

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  10. 77 Westy

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    But each cam lobe has two overlapping followers and one counteracts the other.
     
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  12. But not at the same time so it gets pushed in two directions back and forward?

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  13. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    I don't think any cam induced thrust would be on the same scale as the thrust from the cam gear?
     
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  14. 77 Westy

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    But there’s four lobes each pushing backwards and forwards at different times and opposite to each other. I’m guessing, but I doubt if there is a significant thrust load from the followers – the load is from the helical cut gear.
     
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  15. That’s hot!
     

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