If it's not one thing it's another

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by iblaze, Sep 9, 2023.

  1. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    I attempted to start the Double Cab today but ended up taking bits off again.
    The first couple of tries she spun over and over made some noise like she was going to start but didn't.
    Then I got the click and no attempt to turn over got underneath hit starter with hammer, now no click at all put ignition on put screwdriver across terminals and nothing. Even connected a wire from battery to coil still nothing.
    So, I took starter off Gsf wants £173 does that sound about right? You get £47 back when you return yours.
    Or should I find somewhere that refurbish my original one.[​IMG][​IMG]

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  2. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    If you do, be sure it's not somewhere that will just take it to GSF like you would then add some profit.
     
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  3. scrooge95

    scrooge95 Moderator and piggy bank keeper

    Shame you don't live down here - I took mine to a proper old school 'starter motor and alternator' fella who fixes them in his shed. Cost £60 and is faultless now. You could send it to him maybe?
     
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  4. Marty SmartyCat

    Marty SmartyCat Supporter

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  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    We live oop North, there will be a man in a shed not far away who'll do it for a tenner if he can be tracked down.
     
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  6. Betty the Bay

    Betty the Bay Supporter

    Have a look at this old thread.[​IMG]


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  7. iblaze

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    I've ordered the Gsf one. I got a starter for my bus from them 4 years ago and not had any problems.
    It comes with a 12-month warranty and a 60-day no quibble return.
    JK wants £265 for what looks like exactly the same starter.
    I'll see what it's like when it turns up on Tuesday.

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  8. Soggz

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    I bought a pretty decent one from Euro car parts, a while ago. Seems ok…
     
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  9. Did you check you were getting a voltage at the starter?
     
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  10. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    I sparked like crazy when I put a screwdriver across the terminals.

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  11. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Its OK, the starter I bought off Eddie for £20 was not the automatic variant. Also- its nicely painted black, it's been on a vehicle since being painted and it's back in a parts stash. Hmm

    The basic solenoid bit AFAIR is remove two screws, desolder the solenoid coil wires from the back of the solenoid, pull apart, release bits, clean and grease bits and sand the contactor contacts, reassemble. Techenders level if you have a small blowtorch or a big soldering iron..

    Did mine when I had the gearbox off at Bears Motorsport a couple of years back.
     
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  12. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    I had looked at that starter to see if it was an automatic one.

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  13. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    So fitted the starter and nothing she still doesn't turn over
    I've got 14v at the starter, but nothing happens when I turn the key no click no nothing at all.
    I put a screwdriver across the terminals and the starter whizzes, but doesn't turn the engine?
    I'm stumped any ideas, please, guys.[​IMG]

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  14. Have you got the correct starter for your bellhousing? Certainly on type 1s, there are two different sizes (of bellhousing).
     
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  15. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    No idea I put them side by side and they looked the same just new one was a bit longer.

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  16. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Supporter

    Have you checked the distance between the mounting flange and the gear Ian? Also does it not need the solenoid to throw the gear out , so shorting the motor terminals will not engage it?
     
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  17. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    I'm glad you said that as I thought I was going mad.
    The flange and gear looked the same.
    I just can't figure out why it won't turn over.

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  18. Which terminals? You need to earth the body of the starter, connect the big screw stud to battery +ve, then short +ve to the starter solenoid tab. That should make the pinion pop out and the starter turn. If you're just shorting to the copper braid, that will just make the starter turn without the pinion extended.
     
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  19. iblaze

    iblaze Supporter

    Just looked at JK and they only list one too for years 67 to 79[​IMG]

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  20. Well, that's JK for you.

    Sounds like you're not actually operating the solenoid and the pinion's not extending. Does the solenoid click? Is the starter in or out of the van?
     

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