I mean COME ON really?

It's ok, the protest is over now.
The police sent mork and Rick down there. After a few hours talking about trains the protesters lost the will to live and went home.

 

Apparently the police spent a few hours pulling the protesters off the line. They weren't trying to stop the train, they wanted it to start so it would run them over.

 

'Cos I don't like being lied to, vanster...

 

No one is advocating hair shirts and eating nuts and berries, but I fail to see how you can dismiss extensive habitat and species loss, soaring levels of pollution in both freshwater and marine ecosystems, dwindling biodiversity, persistent contamination and degradation of soil and land quality, increased coatal erosion, flooding, rising water tables, freak weather systems etc. etc.....these are natural responses to a changing environment...the rate of change has increased dramatically over the last two centuries, which happens to coincide with a massive population explosion and increased use of fossil fuels....it may be pure coincidence, but why not err on the side of caution (and scientific fact)?

 

so the truth is?

 

It's a natural occurrence like we've always had, warming then cooling it's just the way the world works, maybe that mini ice age between 1600 and 1814 was because people weren't voting green eh, this is 90's and noughties lefty politics that was wrong then and is wrong now, I can remember my local river, The River Don being so polluted when I was a kid nowt lived in it and it was covered in a froth, nowadays it's got Salmon and otters living in it, we've never been cleaner

 

You could be right. This planet could be on a 200,000 year life cycle and we could be the 50th incarnation of the human race! This could be why I get déjà vous so often.

 

The Crimpsall rail works used land next the Don to literally bury old steam engines trouble was they were full of asbestos

 

The scientific fact - that you strangely don't hear much about in the media - is that, certainly over the past (almost) twenty years, the earth's climate has hardly changed at all (by direct measurement) - if anything, since about 2000, it's been on a slight downward trend. Ditto with sea levels (again by direct measurement). There's been some weird weather...but there always has been. And weather isn't climate.

If they could separate man's influence from the natural baseline of variation, I'd be a lot more convinced. I don't disagree that we should take more care of the stuff you listed, but I've had enough of the greenie alarmism (and I speak as an ex-greenie).

 

Did they get dug up before the houses were built?

 

if i rightly remember ( and don,t quote me ) it was found about the time the deltics were scrapped and cleaned up then

 

Habitat and species loss - agreed, but that's not caused by burning coal.
Contamination, water pollution, air pollution - all massively improved since I was a kid in the 70s. Maybe in developing countries, but again, that's got nothing to do with us burning coal, which is now done with minimal pollution in this country.
Freak weather - I don't buy that. There have been storms, floods, droughts etc. for all of time. The Somerset levels flooding - hardly a freak weather event for land that used to be under water every winter.
Rising water tables - it wasn't long ago that water tables were 'dangerously low'. Are they 'dangerously high' now? It must have been raining a bit then.
Coastal erosion - did that just start recently? Seems to me it's been going on for hundreds of millions of years.
Warming - warm periods, cold periods, we really have no idea what effect we have on the global climate and to make significant inroads into future CO2 emissions, we actually need to deny all of the billions of poor people in the world the opportunity that we have to live a comfortable life, because that's where the emissions are going to come from, not from the UK.

Also, the scare mongering among climate change advocates has been a huge con, especially on predicted temperature sea level rises, so it's to be expected that people are now a bit sceptical of the dire warnings given to us, which are then used to increase taxes on basic necessities like fuel.

 

That ^^^^ is what I meant

 

Just drive the thing into the power station and start burning it. If the protesters are still on it then more fool them. Playing with trains is dangerous. Let them have it with both barrels.

 

The most recent environmental improvements we have seen here in the UK and elsewhere are due to the fact that people have recognized the negative impact certain activities have had, and have put measures in place to either mitigate, reduce or prevent them all together...
I don't dispute that climate science is fraught with uncertainty, but if you believe the scientists on the payroll of the nuclear/fossil fuel industries, I think you're backing the wrong horse....the simple fact is we continue to destroy or denude the very life support systems we've relied on for milennia and the rate of destruction has increased dramatically in the last two centuries, largely on account of rapid industrialization, which requires cheap energy....when the world's population was a tenth what it is now, we could get away with it.....I don't think that's the case any longer....
maybe we need to agree to disagree, but when push comes to shove, I'd rather believe a tree hugger than a Oil magnate

 

I'd rather make up my own mind than be told what to think by either of them.

 

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