Heat exchangers / heating

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Day, Dec 15, 2019.

  1. Day

    Day

    Hi.
    Anything I can do to the heat exchangers to clean/service them?

    And does 'lagging / insulating the long main tube under the bus help.?
     
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  2. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    You can blast them out with air, but not much else.

    You can have a look inside and see if you have original or repro the originals are better and have more fins ( 8 ) than the repro’s


    Then lag all the pipe work and check for leaks along the entire system before you do. Any leak will make the system poor. Get it right and the heating is very good.
     
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  3. Day

    Day

    I think I must have some leaks.....
    But how can I test / find the leaks???
     
  4. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Dismantling and doing a visual on all the parts they’re pretty straightforward to work out really.
    Both heat exchangers go into a Y piece the Y piece channels the air flow into the main pipe that runs the length of the bus to the front totem pole. The totem pole feeds the vents in the window and your feet if the blanking piece halfway up is operating properly. It’s easy to go through it bit by bit sealing leaks. At a push gaffer tape works as a temporary fix.

    if the Y piece is rotted through it’s a pig to change so try fixing any leaks in it in situ rather than replacing it. Ask me how I know!
     
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  5. Little Nellie

    Little Nellie Supporter

    I have same issue. First thing I was going to do was put a plastic food sandwich bag over the cab outlets and turn on the snail fan to see if I’m getting flow. If no flow then check for leaks.

    Sound reasonable?
     
  6. DubCat

    DubCat Sponsor

    I was just tackling my system. The metal casing around the heat exchangers can be uncrimped and there are 3 or 4 spot welds to remove. I've done this to repair a couple of holes in the casing and I want to reinsulate the insides.
    [​IMG]
    A bit of scraping and wire brushing later:
    [​IMG]
    I'll give these a coat of VHT primer and then VHT paint, inside and out.
    I'll just give these a going over with a wire brush:
    [​IMG]
    That's as far as I've got. Ordering the insulation for the H/exchangers tomorrow and some material to lag the pipes all the way to the front - yes that makes a huge difference.
     
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  7. Day

    Day

    Good job..
    I don't have a 'snail fan' is that something you added on.
    Could I buy and use an in line fan? And put it at the begining of the long tube.
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2019
  8. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    Your bus would have had one when it had the type 4 engine. Type 1 don’t have a snail fan.

    If you fit an in-line fan put it at the cab end; it could overheat if it’s close to the heat exchangers.
     
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  9. Day

    Day

    Thanks. ...
     
  10. Day

    Day

    Is this sort of thing ok?[​IMG]

    Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
     
  11. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    If it’s a type 1 and it’s working properly you won’t need a snail fan believe me
     
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  12. Mine was originally a minibus and had an outlet between the front seats. I have blanked it off as no longer required and to give more air flow to the screen/ footwells
     
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  13. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    I think that piece three parts along the centre tube is common to combi’s for rear heating
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2019
  14. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    That’s 240v, but the same or similar in 12v would be fine.
     
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  15. Day

    Day

    Well spotted. ..
    Something like this...[​IMG]

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  16. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    While you’re overhauling the system check for fumes and the possibility of ingress into the warm air system resulting in an exhaust smell in the cab.

    The HX’s should be solid with no holes in the inner j tube ( exhaust )

    Any oil leaks from rocker covers that drips onto the HX’s should be cleaned off and the leak remedied.

    The foam seal around the engine tin should be complete to seal lower exhaust emissions entering the upper engine bay.

    All breather pipes including the join piece behind the spare wheel well should be intact.

    All excess oil on engine above the tinwear should be cleaned up and the reason for the leak addressed.

    The cool air entering through the rear quarter panel fins supplies the fresh air through the heat system as well as cooling the engine oil.
     
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  17. I've yet to investigate properly, but I had smoke coming out of my cab vents recently when I pulled up in traffic. I'm thinking it might be coming from a leaking crank seal, which is right behind the fan on a T4.
     
  18. What insulation are you going to be using?
     
  19. DubCat

    DubCat Sponsor

    Mine is a type 4 (South African) but had no snail fan fitted although the bracket was there. I bought one off Mr Davidoft and fitted it.
    Yes I'm fitting an online fan which I've bought:
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/181640261890
    You need a specialist switch to adjust the speed as a normal variable resistor switch won't work. You need a constant 12v to make the motor spin so a variable pulse switch is needed, I can't find the link to the one I bought but something like this:
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/372632882198
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2019
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  20. DubCat

    DubCat Sponsor

    Will have to get back to you when I've had a chat with Vitcas to see which is best.
     
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