Fitting solar from scratch

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by 1973daisey, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Thanks for that, I wondered what the difference was.

    Not sure if I actually read the instructions or if it was just pure luck, but despite being tempted to ground it locally, I wired my fridge to/from the load terminals of our A series Tracer, as shown in your diagram. It works a treat, and I can monitor how much power the fridge is using independently of everything else.
     
  2. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    Mine are monocrystalline, so should be not too bad. I’ll do the stop light in series test.
     
  3. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    How much power does it use when it’s running?
     
  4. Razzyh

    Razzyh Supporter

    These are the panels I got as recommended

    http://www.lensunsolar.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=249

    Electrical Information:

    Peak power: 100W
    Solar cell efficiency: 17-18%
    Maximum power voltage: 18V
    Maximum power current: 5.56A
    Open circuit voltage: 21.24V
    Short circuit current: 6.11A
    Power allowance range: +/-3%
    Maximum system voltage: 500V
    Values at standard test conditions: Air Mass - AM1.5, Irradiance - 1000W/m2, Cell Temperature - 25°C

    Material Information:

    Laminated for weather resistance
    Laminated with aluminium+ ETFE + Silicon cell + EVA + Tedlar
    Solar cells: Monocrystalline
    Dimensions: 1245 x 550 x 2.5mm
    Net Weight: 2.71kg
    Back sheet: Aluminium
    J-Box: IP 65 rated
     
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  5. I think I recorded these in early summer running a CR50 with one 100W panel.

    Midday sun:
    Panel output: 14.4V 4.6A (66W)
    Battery Input: 13.4V 1.4A (18.7W)
    Fridge Input: 13.4V 3.5A (46.9W)

    Still bright but sun went behind a thick cloud.
    Panel Output: 14.1V 0.9A (12.7W)
    Battery Input: 12.9V -2.5A (-32.2W)
    Fridge Input: 12.9V 3.2A (41.3A)

    Notice how low the current was without direct sunlight. I replaced the CR50 with a CRX50 because it was a getting old and staying on for longer and longer.
     
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  6. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    Very similar spec to the Eco-Worthy panels, they look the same too and might even be from the same manufacturer?
    Eco Worthy 100w panel spec.jpg
     
  7. Razzyh

    Razzyh Supporter

    Yes possibly.
     
  8. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    That’s interesting; my CR50 is four years old and has probably had something like 5 months in use, not what I would call old. When it’s hot it runs virtually continuously only modulating as the temperature drops in the evening so it’s taking around 3 amps out of the battery all day.

    It’s also interesting to see how little power comes out of the panel in midday sun, and if it’s cloudy…

    Maybe I’m just expecting too much from the panels and many of the sites I use are at least partly shaded by trees and I pay more attention to the view than where the panels face. But I still think they should perform better than they apparently do and I’ll continue to investigate what might be wrong.
     
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  9. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    20181009_124015.jpg Easily getting 4 amps this lunchtime.
     
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  10. 77 Westy

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    Rub it in why don’t you. Just wait till tomorrow when the sun comes out mine will be producing nearly a whole amp, maybe, and I’ll try the bulb test. :)
     
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  11. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    I’ve just read that again, it’s more than my two 100w panels produce in full sun.
     
  12. Move somewhere nicer, always sunny Isle of Wight :)
     
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  13. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    I lived close enough for 30 years to know that’s not true.
     
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  14. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    That picture was from about 5 miles north of the Isle of Wight. Mind you we often see the Island covered in mystical clouds when its sunny on the mainland. It must be the inhabitants of East Cowes.
     
  15. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Lets hope the bulbs light brightly.
     
  16. Mine was about 5 years old and was doing much the same. ‘Old’ being relative. I think the coolant fluid was very slowly leaking away. I briefly investigated getting the coolant topped up again but couldn’t find anyone who would touch it.

    I read somewhere that if you disconnect the battery while the panels are still producing power it can cause the controller to switch to 24V. I don’t know if there is any truth in this and can’t remember what controller they were referring to, but it might be worth checking when you do your bulb test.
     
  17. scrooge95

    scrooge95 Moderator and piggy bank keeper

    Nice.
    Parked my van in the sunshine this morning until about 11.30. Nice and sunny, and the battery voltage has gone up to 12.9v, but at no point did I see the PV amps on the controller read anything other than 0.0
    I’m perplexed.
     
  18. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    My controller is an Eco Worthy 20A 12V/24V MPPT, http://www.eco-worthy.com/catalog/worthy-mppt-solar-charge-controller-12v24v-p-182.html It doesn’t automatically detect the battery voltage and it has to be reset if the battery is disconnected - but it is set to 12v. I believe if you disconnect the battery while the panels are still producing power it can damage the controller, some controllers are protected against this but I don’t think the Eco Worthy is – but I could be wrong.
     
  19. On the epever don't trust the current read out. Only the voltage. For some reason the epever controllers don't display current propelry
     
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  20. scrooge95

    scrooge95 Moderator and piggy bank keeper

    Oh fair enough!
    That’s a bit rubbish though, isn’t it?
    I have to admit from what I’ve seen of the ecoworthy one, the display looks better, and at least gives a current reading to more than 1 decimal place!
    I’ve driven the van to work today as it’s going to be a lovely blue sky day, and parked it in the middle of the yard. No excuses for shadows now! It was reading battery charge of 13v when I parked it, so let see how that goes.
    Thanks Matt
     
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